The Chivalry Chronicles
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The Chivalry Chronicles
Episode 038 - "Top 5 Standup Comics"
David & Jaime discuss the Top 5 Standup Comics.
- Who's is in their Top 5.
- Who's out.
- Who they don't get?
- They discuss Hispanic comics.
Issue a Verdict.
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SPEAKER_03:You know, it's it's hard to find talent nowadays. Good talent.
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SPEAKER_03:So we're sitting there talking, right? We're back. And we're sitting there talking. We're talking about stand-up comics. And I was talking to David, and I said, All right, let's let's talk about the best stand-up comics. And I was like, let's talk about the best stand-up comics and why Hispanic isn't one of them. And then of course David's like, wait a minute, why wouldn't there be? And I was like, well, let's go. Let's let's talk about it. And if you look up any stand-up comic list, you know, what do you what's the you know, the number one for for most of them is Richard Pryor. Absolutely. Which I can't really I'm not gonna debate it. He was really good. He's probably you know blazed the trail, you know, changed the way comedy was done. So I you know, I remember one of his, but I don't remember the rest of it. My my first intro to stand-up comedy was probably Eddie Murphy, you know, with Delirious. But then when Raw came out, it was just like we know that we watched it, we I mean, over and over and over.
SPEAKER_00:Would that be your your favorite of all time? The the sh the yeah, yeah, it probably has to be same same here.
SPEAKER_03:It's so good, man.
SPEAKER_00:And like I remember watching uh Richard Priors, I don't remember the names of all of his, yeah, but yeah, that guy was that guy was on fire exp with the the movies and everything that he was coming out with. Yeah, he was everywhere, and he was just I mean, the guy's just hilarious. But I guess I I uh say Eddie Murphy raw because that's more along the lines of when I was old enough to comprehend comedy a bit more and that it stood out, like the very opening, the opening of that show, and they're standing in front of the TV as little kids, and yeah, he's just doing it.
SPEAKER_01:Kick them in the ding-ding.
SPEAKER_00:And what's funny is that you know, as as a kid, you were doing stupid shit like that uh to begin with. So to see it on there and and then it uh just cut right into him wearing that that leather suit or whatever the heck it was, plastic.
SPEAKER_03:No, it was leather, leather, he had the gloves and it was purple because in Delirious he wore a red one. Yeah, in Raw, he had a purple with the gloves, dog. That's that's still to me. I was like, damn.
SPEAKER_00:Do you think he got that cue from uh Prince on the purple? I don't know. The red one kind of looks like you know, similar to Michael Jackson thriller.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, maybe I don't what still tricks me out is the gloves. Like that that just takes it takes a little like I've always wondered with comics, one of them did it, like, why don't you have a there's just a towel? You know, some brothers when we'd go to parties and they always had a towel over their shoulder, you know, because they sweat it, and so they use this the towel. But some of these comics, man, when they're up there, they are freaking sweating their ass off. And I'm like, just have a towel there, man. But anyway, Eddie Murphy Raw to me was like, it's probably my most favorite stand-up, and I can watch it whenever it's on. I can, you know, sometimes I just go look for it and watch clips. That's the beauty about YouTube. I can just go put type in Eddie Murphy Raw, and it just gives me everything in segments because now we we can't sit for two hours, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I watch 10 minutes, and then because of TikTok, they even made those clips shorter, yeah. Shorts.
SPEAKER_03:So to me, that's that's the top of the top. And because my my era is probably Eddie Murphy, you know, I have nothing to really argue about Richard Pryor because most of my you know, most of the stuff that I watch was Eddie Murphy. And so when Eddie Murphy was talking about we used to go down to the basement and listen to Richard Pryor and laugh and stuff and have it really low because he's cussing and stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, did you put it on a record? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So with us, we used to do the same thing because you know, my parents, my dad knows English, right? And can speak English for the most part, and understands it a little bit, but they know cuss words, you know. So it's not like, you know, they they're not gonna understand all of it. But if you say the F-word, or which Eddie Murphy was the king of, you know, fucking profanity, they were like, What the hell are you listening to? Then turn that shit off, you know? And so we used to do that. We you know, we'd be watching, and then my dad would come and you're like, I gotta change the channel, bro.
SPEAKER_00:We gotta You know, I I was fortunate in that sense. And I don't know if it's fortunate, because I don't know if it's the proper way way to raise a kid, but with uh cuss words and stuff like that, it wasn't it was no big deal. So at two years old, you like Yeah, I heck I remember Well, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_03:For them to cuss or for you to cuss?
SPEAKER_00:Well, no, I I I per I just never cussed in front of them to this day. Really? Yeah, I'm freaking 45 years old and I have yet to quit. Wait, wait, hold on. I say damn in hell, that's the closest I get.
SPEAKER_03:To your son or your dad? To my folks. Okay, to your oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Or whenever when I'm around them, I don't I don't cuss, and I also don't drink in front of them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I I agree. I yeah, I think we I I told this story on on on the podcast that I was probably like 35, 36. My parents had come down for Thanksgiving, and you know, I'm kind of like, uh, should I drink? And I'm like, wait a minute, this is my motherfucking house. Like, I pay these bills, you know. So I was like, they gave you life though. Yeah. So I think I just started drinking then, and but I was already like maybe 35, 38, it was like way past, you know. But I don't cuss. Definitely not in Spanish, and probably not in English either.
SPEAKER_00:Like, I kind of yeah, it just feels weird to cuss around. But the off mode, my brother's the exact opposite. Really? My brother cusses in front of them a lot, and he'll drink in front of them. I drink more than my brother.
SPEAKER_03:Is he older or younger than you are?
SPEAKER_00:Five years younger.
SPEAKER_03:So you're never like, hey, dude, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_00:No, no. No, there there came a time whenever he was in high school, I was in college, and I remember drinking uh pretty heavy the night before. And every now and then, whenever he'd pop off at the mouth, I would we would start wrestling and then I'd pin him to the floor and I'd put him like in a tow coat and say, Who's your who's your big brother? kind of deal. And I remember after that night of drinking, I woke up, he said something. Next thing you know, we're wrestling, and he pins me this time on on the ground and tells me who's your little brother. And so from that point on, I've never wrestled with my brother anymore. I think we need to see that, man. I know. Well, my my brother's 6'2, 6'3, something like that. So he's bigger than me.
SPEAKER_03:I think at Friday night we should have bring a ring out there. We need to do a Friday night exclusive, you know, right. Hailing from Amarillo, Texas. So anyway, so we were talking about okay, best stand-up comics of all time. And when I thought about doing my five, they were all black comics. And that's because that's what we watched. And you know, we we saw some of the uh Latino comics like you know, George Lopez. I guess he got bigger later, like in the late 90s. Uh Carlos Mencia, and all this, but I just to me they're not they're not Eddie Murphy, they're not Chris Rock, they're not Dave Chappelle, and even Martin Lawrence's You're So Crazy is one of my favorite, also.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, really?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I love that stand-up. It's freaking hilarious, you know. And then you have other people that say Bernie Mack is really good, and I get it, but I I would not he would not be in my top five. He probably wouldn't even make the top ten for me personally.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'd say this, and I'd say the exact same thing with Cedric the Entertainer stuff like that all.
SPEAKER_03:I think he's okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they're they're they're worth watching, but they're not the top to me.
SPEAKER_03:They're not raised, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, you know, those are my top three. And then the the four and five, you can convince me that maybe Martin Lawrence should be in there, maybe, you know, what's his name? I guess Richard Pryor has to be in there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I I have to put Richard Pryor in there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so so to me, but those top three, without a doubt, if you were to tell me, Jaime, you can only listen to these three or four comics in everyone else's hands off, then they would I would probably be in that realm of Murphy, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, and Dave Chappelle. You give me those three and I'm I'm good.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I I'd I'd have Richard Pryor, I'd have Eddie Murphy. Oh boy. I I would pick Dave Chappelle over Chris Rock. Really? Yeah. And then if I was to throw if I was to throw someone totally different in there, and I think it's just because more so he's gained a lot more traction in in my feeds, yeah, is Bill Burr. Like Bill Burr's funny. Bill Burr's uh stuff, yeah. I find it hilarious, just the way he talks and and just uh demeans people, but in a in a way to get back at him. Like he's almost like that that that little guy that stood against the bully kind of deal. Yeah. And and and does it with yeah, I don't want to say grace, but it's it's just it's just well crafted.
SPEAKER_03:He's hilarious. I know one of one of the funniest ones that I that I remember from him is he talks about guys that that watch the draft, which I watched the NFL draft, and I would do my own draft board, and I would sit there and he makes fun of all that, and then I was laughing because like, yeah, he's talking about me. But he's like, You got these guys, you know, and they're like, who are they gonna pick? Who are they gonna pick? They're like, if you just wait one day, you'll know exactly who they pick. That's not the point of it, but still, I thought that was hilarious. The other one, he did a most recent one that I watched for Bill Burr, and he talks about that man, men can only have two feelings that they can either be okay or angry. He goes, that's the only acceptable things that men can can be. And he goes, We feel everything else, but that's over here and it's called gay. Because he was like, you know, when you see your boys like, hey, how you doing? I'm okay, you know, I'm good. And then it's like, are you sure? I I said I'm good. You sure you're good? Man, I said, you know, so you get either okay or you're angry. That's it. So he's really good at that. Nate Burgato, I think we we talked about him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that was the one that I have yet to ever follow or hear anything about.
SPEAKER_03:If we're getting into the the lighter shades of comics, he's really funny. There's some comics that I don't get, will never get, and I don't understand how people think they're funny, is like Robin Williams. I love him as an actor, as a comedic actor, as a as just a dramatic actor or something like that, but man, as a stand-up comedian, I did not get it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I would I would agree with that, and but above him, the one that I I I guess I get why people find him funny, but it's not my kind of funny. And I think that's the that's the real issue, and that's uh Jerry Seinfeld. Jerry, Jerry Seinfeld, I I uh all my bros from back home would uh quote all the stuff from the Seinfeld episodes and stuff like that, and then some of his actual stand-up stuff, and it was like that's not funny, it's just not funny to me.
SPEAKER_03:The show was funny, like I watched the show, and like my brothers and I would watch the actual show, which intermixed some of his stand-up in it, and the way the show was laid out was funny, but I just don't remember his stand-up and being all that memorable, you know. Like I can I can tell you about Martin Lawrence, you're so crazy. Like, there's a bunch of stuff that that I can quote from Nat or you know, Chris Rock, bigger and blacker, and all that stuff. But man, Jerry Seinfeld, the the the show, love it, watched it, but his stand-up, I don't really I don't remember it all that well, or even going, man, this is really good and you gotta watch it. Steve Martin, I know people have him on his list, and I think it's bad. Steve Martin, Martin Short, all that, you know, like I don't I don't get it. I I just don't get it. If we want to go into like female comics.
SPEAKER_00:Well, be before you get into that one, one that I want to throw out there is that Norm McDonald. Yeah, he's funny. He's he's he's got some he's got some good stuff. Yeah, it's very, very dry, like meta-type humor, kind of. But hit I I I've tried to sit through I don't remember which show it was, which stand-up show it was, but I it it's it's funny, but it's not it's not there. And and to see him uh ranked on some of these lists in the in the top 15, top 20, I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Well, I mean you got a bunch of them like that, and and and a lot of these, I would have to I mean, I I guess because uh I'm not aware of Joan Collins and whatever she did in stand-up, like Joan Rivers? Or I mean Joan Rivers.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was like, I don't know. Like I've never heard her stuff. I I remember seeing her, but I can't remember any of the jokes. I know she was she was considered top of the game back in the day. But but I was at the bottom of the game at that day, not paying attention. I was on the bench. I was waiting for my time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Joan Rivers. I mean, I know she had that show and I know she was big, but I mean, uh, it's just not my thing, so I wouldn't even she wouldn't crack anywhere in my top one billion.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Now the the old school one that I I do like his stand-ups, and that's George Carlin. Just some of the some of the satire, the the the political satire and stuff that he would it would do was just but would he would he be your top 10, top 15, top 20? No, no. I he'd he'd probably he definitely would fall in the 15, but yeah, I don't know that he'd reach the top 10.
SPEAKER_03:See, with me, I I don't know. I'm kind of partial to to black stand-up comics. Like, I think I would look at Eddie Griffin, who had a great stand-up comic, uh stand-up comedy show. He was really freaking funny. I kind of have this love-hate relationship with Jamie Foxx, right? At first I was like, he he's a really good stand-up comic. Like his he has a stand, he has like three of them. Two of them are really good, and I think the other one was just kind of fell off a little bit. But that dude can do anything, you know what I'm saying? He can sing, he can act, and at first I was like, man, is he really that great of an actor? And then you watch that one on Ray, you know, in 2004, Ray. You're like, yeah, he's pretty fucking good.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, yeah, he's he's really good. He's he's unpredictable.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, all right, let's end the show now. I love him in Django, but his stand-up is really good. I mean, it is funny when he talks about doing the movie with with uh LL Koojay, and they actually got into a fight in that movie, like they didn't like each other. And so there's reports of Jamie Foxx hitting LL Koojay and LL Koo Jay hitting Jamie Foxx, like actually fighting, even though it's supposed to be just a scene. And if you if you look that up, it's freaking hilarious because he talks about it in this.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I remember they hit they they got into it, but I didn't realize it it came to blows like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Jamie Foxx is like uh So is there footage of the fight?
SPEAKER_00:No, okay I've never seen footage of it. But you're saying it was part of his his stand-up, or it's part of his stand-up.
SPEAKER_03:He goes, uh he said, he goes, yeah, he hit me, but I wasn't ready. He's like playing like uh Chris Rock did after he got slapped. Yeah, he's like, I act. He's like, you put me in a fight, I'll beat your ass. That that type of stuff. The other thing he says about him, he goes, he goes, he goes, are we trying to do the scene?
SPEAKER_01:And he goes, he goes, and LL is like, you know, he's uh he's into his role.
SPEAKER_03:He's like, he goes, I'm I'm playing this role, and whoever you think you are, you know, it's like because he said he got too into the role, he's over here doing sprints and stuff, and it's like, bro, we're acting as football players. This ain't spring, you know, this ain't like you know, we're not you know doing preseason right now. He was making fun of him that he just took it too serious, and yeah, and it's like, I mean, this I don't know if it's that's such a bad thing, but so they had it, it was part of his stand-up, and then later on, here in the past, I don't know, five, six years, they asked LL about it. And so then everybody came out the woodwork, you know, like talking about it.
SPEAKER_00:They're they're they're cool though now, ain't they? Oh, I don't think so. Oh, still? Oh shoot.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think it ever. Yeah, they they're still clinging to their stories. Of there's the other stand-up comic that was also in the movie that he tells his story. He's like, here's what really happened. And he did pretty much knock him out. And I think LL did knock Jamie Foxx out or something like that. But it was but he's another one that you know, if if I'm looking at at the top comics, I mean, I think I would choose him over some of these other yeah, you know how how about how about Cat Williams?
SPEAKER_00:Speaking of I love Cat Williams, that's why remember when Cat Williams uh got into that fight with that kid or something like that. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Well, then he also raced that other kid, you know, because he said he ran a 4-3 or something.
SPEAKER_00:Now, would you would you put him in your yes, top ten, definitely top 10? I would put him in there, and that that that's one thing that's funny because in in the the list that I I pulled up on my end doesn't even make mention of him, but no cat Williams, uh the Pimp Chronicles.
SPEAKER_03:And then we were talking about you and I were talking about that freaking interview he did with Shannon. Yeah, he it that could be a whole stand-up.
SPEAKER_00:That was hilarious. In fact, I I I want to say that that pushed Shannon's show, like oh, yeah. Not only just that episode, but even subsequent episodes that Shannon Sharp had, people were watching just because of what was went down with Cat Williams.
SPEAKER_03:He was so good, man. When he talks about uh you could be Kang the Conqueror, and they'll take your rabbit ass down and two weekends.
SPEAKER_00:And it's weird because I guess I guess the way he the way he talks and he's talking about his story is like I it it teeters on that. Is he really being serious? Like, did this really happen to him, or is he just being so funny? Or is it uh is he adding color to that story? I think so.
SPEAKER_03:I think the majority of the story is true, but because he's a comedian, right? Yeah, uh, you you wanna you wanna add to it. You yeah, you wanna make it a little bit more, but I think the because everything he said in that it checks out. Like he said he was in in Friday, like the the second Friday, the next Friday or whatever, and he doesn't have any teeth. And he said, he goes, I I basically took that movie and with that paycheck fixed my teeth. But in that movie, you could I mean he doesn't have the front teeth, like he said they got knocked out doing something. I think most of it aside from him reading, I don't know how many books he said he read.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, some of some of the stuff just sounds outraged.
SPEAKER_02:There's no way it just sounds like unless you just have it on, you know, what are those those those books you listen to and shit? Audiobooks, those audiobooks.
SPEAKER_00:But hell, when you think about that, it takes longer to read an or listen to an audiobook than it takes you to physically read it. So that could be true. No, that was the one. I guess you could put it at five times five times speed or something like that. But even that, I think you could still read faster than you can hear.
SPEAKER_03:That one I I call bullshit on. The other one I call bullshit on is that he could run like a 4-3 or something, or like a I was like, Yeah, I don't know about that, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, that that's that's that's why uh listening to that interview is like, okay, well what's truth, truth, and what is exaggerated, and what is just a flat out lie.
SPEAKER_01:I would say probably 80% is true, and 20% is he can read that many books.
SPEAKER_03:Either way, that that that that episode or that that uh show was uh But I don't doubt that he's freaking brilliant that maybe Mensah, whoever was trying to get at him. Yeah, well maybe use Mensel But I I will tell you I think I think he is I think he's super talented, and I think it's yeah, because that is intellectual.
SPEAKER_00:Unless they're asking him the exact same question, he he's always surfacing new ideas, new thoughts. Yeah. Like I mean, obviously we only see the we've only seen the uh recorded comedy shows, so but I'd imagine if you went to his live show, one was completely or close to completely different on the second. Because it just sounded like he he pivots quite a bit and just builds material.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and and his his stand-up is is great, like he would be in my top ten, like without a doubt. He talks about hanging out with Mexican families, you know, which is freaking hilarious, and said that they just keep partying all night. Uh he said it's funny about that, that's true. Yeah, and then uh he talks about uh partying with with with your white friends. He goes, he goes, because uh they're they do something that you're just not accustomed to. He's like because they pay for everything. So which is well, I'll tell that story later. Anyway, now now we were gonna go keep it PG.
SPEAKER_00:Well, we were gonna keep uh uh pivot to to to women comedians, right?
SPEAKER_03:And so we were talking about, you know, when when we said, Well, what are your top five? You know, I looked at my top five, I was like, they're all stand-up, they're all black stand-up comedians. I was like, and I do love Latino or Hispanic or Mexican comedians, but I just don't think they're as good as these five. Now, when I go to female stand-up comedians, it's chock full of Latinas, man. Yeah, I mean, with Angela Johnson and Cristella Alonso, which has a new stand-up here that came out last week. And this other one that I was telling David about is Sofia Niño de Rivera. If you it but it's all in Spanish, so just be aware it's in Spanish. She is freaking hilarious. But some of the other ones, like what's her name? Nikki Glazer. I don't know if you've ever listened to her. She's freaking hilarious, and then she's even better when she does roast. Like on Comedy Central, they do roast.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've seen some of those. Okay, it's that the top, she's kind of tall, blonde. Yeah, oh yeah. See, yeah, I I wouldn't be been able to identify her by her name, but I know exactly who you're talking about. She is freaking she's she's brutal on those on those roasts.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she said uh she said she said Blake Griffin looked like looked like he was because he's he's white, right? Or he's half white, half black. He said Blake Griffin looks like somebody that was that they used a printer that ran out of black ink.
SPEAKER_01:They printed him, god dog. It's like, damn.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she's just oh my god. She talks about one of the comics, one one of her stand-ups, she says, you know, we've had a lot of great ones, you know, die in the past year. He goes, How about you take some of these guys that ain't that good, you know? You quit taking all the great ones and stuff. And she's oh my god, her stand-up is now she kind of gets overly sexual, and I kind of, you know, I guess with guys do it, you do get a little cringy with it, but with women, it's just kind of even more weird, you know. It's like I don't really need to hear all that, but but I think that's partly because I'm a dude, and yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, I mean, and uh they they have some notoriety, so it's it's I I know at the end of the day when it comes to comedians and it goes with your with your taste and yeah, and essentially a lot of things that you grew up or saw or experienced, those are the things that really gravitate to you whenever you're watching a comedy show. Yeah, there's some other ones that are pretty good.
SPEAKER_03:There's some that I'm just like I don't get. Eliza Sleshinger, I I don't get her. Like I've I've watched her stand up.
SPEAKER_00:It's just not I don't I don't really I guess I don't I I can't think of who she is, but she's really pretty.
SPEAKER_03:She's oh really she's super cute. I'll look her up right now. Blonde. I mean, and you know, you're like, oh, she's a comic let's see. And and it's just not not there.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not well the the one that to me is not there overall is Ellen Degenerous. Ellen degenerous? I don't think she's funny at all. She's she's good for like dad type jokes. Uh but well, she hadn't done shit in years, though. So yeah, yeah, but I I mean I I remember watching her back in the day, and it's just like yeah, uh almost like a Seinfeld to me.
SPEAKER_03:Probably they yeah, I don't I don't remember her being all that funny. I don't know if you've seen Ali Wong. She wrote a bunch of stuff, she was a writer, and then she became a well, she started doing stand-up, and it's okay, but she screams throughout the whole thing. That can get annoying. I'm like, okay, can we just narrow it down a little bit?
SPEAKER_00:Now, how about how about Sarah Silverman? I think she's I like her stuff. Yeah, I think she's freaking hilarious. No, she's she's she's definitely somebody that can watch it.
SPEAKER_03:She'll she'll go like she goes straight for like super shocking stuff, which I'm juggler. Yeah. But I I do like her. But the the Angela Johnson to me is like freaking hilarious. I mean, I've watched most, if not all, hers. We saw her live last year. Christella, I've seen all three of her shows. Uh the one that just came out, we watched it, we saw her live. But those are Hispanic comics or really Mexican American comics that you know kind of cater to what you know, we're we're Mexican or we're Mexican American, might, you know. And so you kind of identify with everything they're saying. Yeah. I know when we went to go see Angela Johnson, she had another guy opening up, and I can't forget I can't remember his name. Uh he was a he was a black comic, and he said that he had gone over to to a friend of his house when he was a kid, and he goes, Here's how you know you're poor, right? We were eating fries and something, and then you know, I go, Hey, uh, where's your Where's your ketchup drawer? You know, they're like, what? They're like, you know, there's a drawer with a bunch of ketchup in it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, I have one of those too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he's like, you know what that means is that you were poor. Like, he goes, We have ketchup bottle right here. He's like, No, no, no, the ketchup drawer.
SPEAKER_03:You know, you go in there, there's mustard, there's ketchup, soy sauce.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, damn it.
SPEAKER_00:We get sour honey mustard. I'm like, go home empty that drawer. I literally have a drawer that has nothing but that shit in there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We used to have a, it was like a little, what do you call it? Just a little container. Yeah, that was like woven and shit. You'd you'd reach in there. Yeah, you want to get some ketchup.
SPEAKER_00:Well, just like uh uh all the all the comadres and stuff uh that repurpose the butter, the butter container, the potato toilet. Yeah, yeah. Then you're you you just open it up and oh my god, I just walked.
SPEAKER_01:There was another comic that said, uh, this, yeah, man. Did y'all ever do this as a kid?
SPEAKER_03:You know, we played the ground is lava, and so we jumped from couch to couch, and this is and that. She goes, You you know what that means, right? He's like, You were poor.
SPEAKER_01:Like you didn't have the Nintendo, you know, you had to make do and use your imagination. And I was like, shit, I did that too.
SPEAKER_03:So I think that's why you gravitate towards those comics, and I guess I see why some people like Robin Williams and you know, all these other like why comics, because they they talk about stuff that you're just not accustomed to, you're not used to, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, when the guy was talking about the ketchup drawer, I was like, damn it. And that's that's what I love. They take everyday stuff and they just kind of shine a light on it, like this is part and part part and parcel to your culture and how you grew up. Yeah, and so I was like, Yeah, like a lot of Angela Johnson stuff is like that. Cristella, she's from you said from the valley. I mean, she talks about her brother finally getting citizenship. It took him 30 years, and I was like, Yes, my cousin got citizenship like five years ago, and it was 30 years. Like it's yeah, you know, people think it's easy, it's not. You know, they put every obstacle you can think of. So, you know, when they say stuff, which gets me back to Carlos Mencia, right? Carlos Mancia, which I thought was great, like in the early 90s, his first couple of stand-ups were excellent. He got into the whole you're still in jokes, and then you know, basically got cancelled, I guess. I don't know. But in one of his interviews, he's talking about, he goes, Look, when you're growing up, there's certain experiences that you think are unique to you, but everybody goes through that. Yeah, and so if I made a joke about it, of course someone else is gonna have a joke about that. Now it gets to like who said it first.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because that's whenever he was explaining, like where people were saying that he copied, he was like, I I I didn't, and here's some different examples of why it's all circular because we all experience similarities growing up, so it's likely that it's gonna surface at some point. Yeah, which is and I and I get that, and then the well, the other thing that he was saying, and I'm not defending Carlos Mencia because he he he's not even one of my favorites out of the Latino c comedians, but he uh he was also just talking about like it it would be hard to steal jokes at that time because it was it wasn't like you just go in with the phone and you record somebody and you can you catch it or you can get a clip of it on YouTube and that type of stuff. So it it would result in you'd have to physically go and and see that show and then go and replicate it yourself. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because it I mean there's a lot of setup to some jokes, and so I I get that, and I watched a lot of his interviews, and I thought he was really good. I remember we went to go see him in Dallas when I think it was in college, so I drove to Dallas, and my brother, my sister, and I we went to go see him. He was freaking hilarious that day, and then I was kind of like, damn, because he had that show, uh, the mind of Mancia, like he was he got really big. Yeah, and then of course, you can't get too big, people come after you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, and so I think it was probably because of that show and his his uh fame being high at that point, yeah. That all you gotta do is get a a rumor that sticks, and maybe you know, whether it's true or not true, and yeah, and and did they provide enough evidence that you're gonna see it that maybe he did?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say he didn't, yeah, because there's a lot of strong evidence that he might have, but I do still enjoy his first couple of stand-ups. I mean, I thought they were great. The other ones, like uh, we were talking about Ralph Barbosa. I was uh David is like, I mean, I'll try to watch this stuff, and it's yeah, it's hard, it's hard to laugh.
SPEAKER_00:And I get it, it just gives, you know, give his pothead joke, and like, okay, yeah, I heard that with Cheech and Chong back in the 70s, bro.
SPEAKER_01:And I wasn't even born there, yeah. So, which gets to another one.
SPEAKER_03:Cheech is another one that's yeah, I am always going to, you're gonna get my download, right? You're you're you're Hispanic, you grew up in Oakliff, which is Dallas. I'm from Dallas, so you're gonna get my download. I'm gonna support you, but yeah, man, I watched his Netflix special and I was like, oh my god, like this is and it's part of it is this delivery. He's very slow talking, and he he he does look like he's always high.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's uh it's like a stoner's talking to you.
SPEAKER_03:And I've I've I've and unless you're high, you know, it's like it's like hanging around with drunk people, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I was like, come on now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, if you're not drunk and you're around a bunch of drugs, they get really annoying. Luckily, I'm always drunk.
SPEAKER_04:And you got another one in that in that speaking of speaking in.
SPEAKER_03:So that's another one. Like I did, I tried, man. I tried. I I watched his some of his interviews. I watched his stand-up. I think he did Jimmy Fallon. He did one of the night, the the the late night.
SPEAKER_00:I think it was Jimmy Fay uh Fallon, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then um what what also brought it to to prominence is that his his whole deal with with George Lopez.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's I think that's what pushed him more than anything. Because he was he was trending upward. Yeah, but then whenever George Lopez, and if you uh because I did listen to George Lopez's podcast specifically where he said what he did, and the whole you the whole the whole context was was more it it was all more than that. Man, don't stick up for George Lopez, but I am I am gonna uh stick up for him because he was he was just talking about it, and then the dude asked him, well, what about well, he was like, Oh, I don't even know him, he's nothing. Like, but he did But why? But why would you say that? Well, he it because I think he was just they were just bantering back and forth, and so I think it wasn't the name that did it, it was just more like, no, I don't I don't know who it is, but it's it's a bit of a dead move. Yeah, no, he shouldn't have did it, he shouldn't have did it overall. But whenever I listen to the content, like it didn't land as hard as they made it sound. Yeah, that's that's I guess that's my point.
SPEAKER_03:And and Ralph's comment on it was perfect. He's like, he shouldn't. He's like, he shouldn't care about me. I'm nobody to him, so yeah, I don't care. He goes, and then he said he wasn't one of my favorite comics, so it's not like it hurt my feelings. He goes, if it had been like, I think he said Chappelle or something, then that would have hurt Eric Eric Estrada. Yeah, and uh that's that's the other thing that I think it's it's funny. Comics are never off, right? Comics are always comics, like it doesn't matter whether they're getting interviewed on the late night show or yeah, it's like a podcast.
SPEAKER_00:I've I've heard some dark talks about comics. Like when they I think it related to like Robin, they were talking about Robin Williams and committing suicide, and they were talking about other comedians along similar lines where they have a hard time being able to switch. Yes, and as such, in the back of their mind, they're suffering, but they're in always on. Yeah, they're always on, like a Bill Murray. I hear you know, I've I've heard stories on Bill Murray where Jim Carrey, where Bill Bill Murray will randomly walk into like a house and go hang out and party with them, but then also just be like this very recluse, yeah, don't talk to me kind of person, either. Yeah, so yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Jim Carrey, I'm I don't think I've ever seen a interview with him where he just has a normal conversation, and it's like at some point it gets annoying. It's like, dude, like let me tell you something.
SPEAKER_00:Let me tell you something. You need to be who you are.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, man, can we just you know, can we just get through this interview real quick?
SPEAKER_00:Well, uh I did hear something on Jim Carrey, I don't remember what other actor, but he I I guess they were saying like he didn't come out of character the whole time during the filming. Like you can't even have a conversation with him because he was always in whenever uh the Andy Andy Andy Kaufman. Andy Kaufman. Yeah, that movie. Yeah, yeah, he was in in the movie. That was a pretty good movie. I I I've never seen it. I I liked it, but Andy Kaufman's comedy isn't funny to me. No, no, so it but it was a I thought it was a good movie, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Angela Johnson, I think I don't know if we talked about her, she's really good. Alex Raymundo, have you ever seen him? He's pretty funny. He's he's I believe he's a Mexican, he's Mexican-American or something, but he has a like a real southern draw. He has like a bit of a hick accent, and it's funny.
SPEAKER_00:Is he the one that is from Corpus?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. He has long hair.
SPEAKER_00:Oh no, I listen.
SPEAKER_03:He's married to like a he's married to a white lady. But he he's his his stand-up was called his hick spanic.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, yeah. I've I've I I think I have seen him, or I think I have watched something because that that yeah, that rings.
SPEAKER_03:Then you have uh Felipe Esparza, that sounds like MT.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, like when I first heard him, I was like, he looks yeah, MT MT cut his hair, so we got we got a bro. He's been on this podcast before during the wrestling episode, but if you hear his voice, it sounds like Felipe Esparza. And then and then uh MT also had the same hairdo for a good while. Yeah, yeah, long hair. And then he he trimmed it, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and then Gabriel Iglesias or or Fluffy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, to me, even though I I personally would put another or two Hispanic comedians over him, I think Fluffy is the top.
SPEAKER_03:The top Hispanic comedian?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And maybe even of all time.
SPEAKER_03:Of all time? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not ready to answer that. I don't think so, but you don't think so?
SPEAKER_00:Who do you who do you put? Because see, I and and I know you're gonna disagree with this, but I do put George Lopez. I do put him maybe even second. I I'm I'm a toss between Paul Rodriguez and George Lopez. And Paul Rodriguez back in the day. Back in the day, yeah. He was he was awesome. I got to see him in Vegas one time, and I got to see him in the world.
SPEAKER_03:I would think Paul Rodriguez. Paulo Rodriguez is better than George Lopez. I've I've never been like a huge George Lopez fan, and I'll tell you why. His his comedy never evolved. Like, we get it, bro. You're Mexican. Like, let's get on with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, how many times it's like, you know, it's like, what's his name? Jeff Jeff Foxworthy and stuff. You know, you know you're Mexican when, like, bro, like we heard it already. Like, come up with something else. Hey, hey, he said redneck.
SPEAKER_00:I know, but I don't get he doesn't get to go under my banner.
SPEAKER_03:But that's basically George Lopez is the Mexican Jeff Foxworthy.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what whenever I went to see him, I guess it was two years ago now. I had I had who's that? Uh George Lopez when he came here to San Antonio. I I had uh free tickets, and my brother that's why you went.
SPEAKER_03:You didn't even pay for them.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I I probably wasn't. There was something else going on that night, too. I think we had an event or something, and I didn't I didn't go because I went to George Lopez.
SPEAKER_01:Let me look it up.
SPEAKER_00:And whenever I when I went, I did expect the same type of and honestly, if he does the same kind of comedy, I'm all with it because I I do like it. Man, I I think that's good when you go see a band, like an old band. Yeah, play me all the hits, but if I go to see a comedian, and I I don't want to I don't want to hear the exact same joke, but if if it's along those same lines, I'm okay with it. That said, he veered off in different areas that he hadn't done that I seen in in his shows. So I I don't I think it's I think it's probably different if you're catching them live. And and to me, I I don't I don't know if you feel the same way, but some of these shows that I would rank really high, I didn't get to see in person. And when you see comedy in person, it's just it's way better. So much more enriched uh enriching.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I was saying, like uh Christella. We saw her this year, and we saw Angela Johnson. Those two actually, I think it was Angela Johnson that we just my wife and I were just you know kind of flipping through fucking and it was a Friday, and we're like, Angela Johnson here. She was here two nights, I think it was Saturday and Sunday, and so we're like, shit, let's go see her. And and uh she was downtown at I think the Aztec Theater, which is a really small venue, man. It's super small. Like, I don't think I'd ever been there before. And we got tickets for that that Sunday, went to go see her. It was really good. Like I've you know, I love going to see live shows, stand-up, that type of stuff. I'm not super big into stand-up comedy, but if you present me with stand-up com comics that I really like, I would love to go see them. Somebody like DeSheville, probably not because it's hard to get those tickets, and then the price can kind of gets up there. I think Angela Johnson, we couldn't have paid more than like 40-50 bucks. Yeah, that's reasonable. It's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it what's funny is so I remember going to Puerto Rodriguez. I didn't even pay because I was still a kid technically. I think I was 17 years old. So you never paid stand-up comedy? Yes, I paid for stand-up comedy. But uh going to see him in Vegas at that time was I think$75 a ticket.
SPEAKER_03:That's pretty expensive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, at that time, yeah, yeah. And and then fast forward five years or so, and he Paul Rodriguez came to Amarillo, and the tickets were between 15 and$50 or something like that. Yeah. So Vegas has has always had a premium on the shows. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I I've I don't well, I've never been to Vegas to watch anything, so yeah. Some of these, I mean, like I was saying, I don't think I'd ever go see Dave Chappelle. Yeah. It's just I mean, you know, I love Dave Chappelle. Like my favorite of his stand-up is probably Killing Me Softly. That's when he is like, I think it's his first one, his first major stand-up. And that's my go-to, like if I want to listen to Dave Chappelle.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But some of these other comics that are not as big and they're like 30, 40 bucks, I'm in. You know, listening.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, you know, the the thing that I miss most specifically for comedy. Back in the back in the day, this was probably my high school, late high school years into early college. It's whenever they had the Latino Laugh Festival on HBO.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they would film it here in San Antonio. I lived in Amarillo. I and seeing seeing that, they had the the the I'm trying to remember what the name of the comedy venue was at River Center Mall. Yeah. But it was filmed between there and then out on the the little amphitheater on the river. And man, there that stuff was hilarious. Like all those comedians at that time, I I don't know of one episode where I was like, that guy sucks. Like every single, every single comedian like I was having a great time watching, and I remember I'd record it on VCR just so I'd have it ready to go, just in case I missed it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there was a there was a stand-up comic that came up on I think she was on America's Got Talent or something like that. She was from the Bronx. She was freaking hilarious. I remember when we used to watch that show. I think it was Gina. Gina Brillon or something like that. And I never followed her after that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh man, she's really funny. I need to, I need to check it out, and then you kind of just do something else. Yeah. And then she popped back up a couple years ago where she had done the stand-up. And I need to watch it, but she was freaking hilarious. She was, you know, people from the Bronx had the Bronx accent. You know, she was probably Puerto Rican or whatever, but she was freaking hilarious. John Leguizamo, I love John Leguiz.
SPEAKER_00:I'm glad you brought him up because I I kind of forgot about it, but yes.
SPEAKER_03:John Leguizamo is a great actor. I think he's really good. I love him, and just about everything he's done. He's but his stand-up, it's hard to freaking his early stand-up expenses. The last one, that what is it?
SPEAKER_00:Like it's about history or something like that, or American history, or yeah, that's uh yeah, uh Latin American history for idiots or something.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, something like that. And I try to watch it, and and like I said, if you're his bank, you're gonna get my download. Like I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna support you, but oh my god, man.
SPEAKER_00:I was just like I I his early stuff. I have a hard time, I had a hard time watching. I forgot what it was called, and then he came out with that movie The Pest. Yeah, the pest. And I was like terrified. Terrible. Yeah, this is awful. This is a stupid freaking movie. And and so I had a hard time following him, but uh now I'm I I kind of like his stuff, but what's what's crazy about it, it's not it's not really for the comedy. It's because I I find what he has to say or what he brings to the table, like he's been doing the uh where he's going to different uh cities and exposing the the Hispanic culture in that city. Yeah, like I I I get a kick out of all that content.
SPEAKER_03:I watched one of those where he went to Chicago, yeah, and they and it was a I think it was a Mexican family. Yeah, usually it yeah, so yeah, but his stand-up I I just couldn't get into. I I loved him in freaking he was in John Wick. He plays a great role in John Wick. But man, this stand up is Benny Bonacio from the Bronx. Benny, Benny from the Bronx. Yeah, that was isn't it, Carlos something or Carlito's way. Carlito's way, yeah. Yeah, he was great in that one. Yeah, you have Cheech, who is his is okay, but it I mean, like I said, I wish my uh my fellow Hispanics would just bring up their A game. Like the women are. I think the women are bringing Chee.
SPEAKER_00:You can't have Cheech without Chong. Yeah, it's not complete.
SPEAKER_03:But it just none of them are I don't I I actually think the women are doing better than the guys.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. With that, but that that's it. I like I like I I do feel that Fluffy could fit in a top 10, top 15 max.
SPEAKER_03:He would, because we looked up his sales and he friggin' sales a lot.
SPEAKER_00:But mine personally So I I so I I always try to differentiate, you know, because I got preferences that I know other other folks don't and vice versa. So but just what he has brought to the table, knowing that people of Hispanic culture and and outside of that are buying his tickets because otherwise you don't get you don't get to that level. Right. And then and then he's able to he's able to pivot between having like adult humor to yeah that general audience humor.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think we were talking about it, uh, and I was telling you that uh our EITs, we have three EITs, and they're from India, born in India, studied uh in India, got their bachelor's in India, and got their master's here in the in in the United States. And Fluffy Fluffy has a stand-up that's talks about the the uh similarities between Mexican culture and Indian culture. And so I watched I watched that that stand-up, and it was pretty good. I mean, I just it's not kind of my I just don't put him as but I was I was entertained. Yeah. So anyway, I go to work, right? And I was like, oh, I was like, man, I gotta tell you about the stand-up comic. And I was telling him, he goes, and one of the kids was like, Fluffy, and I was like, yeah, and I was like, Oh shit, you know? He goes, Yeah, he's famous. He was like, I was like, damn, because it's hard to talk to him about anything American pop culture stuff because they don't they don't know, yeah. And plus they're super young, right? They're 25. They're like, you know, if I say karate kid, they're like, what, you know. But it but I was I was impressed, or I was kind of surprised that they knew who it was, one, and that yeah, they're like, Yeah, we know who that is, and yeah, we know what you're talking about. I was like, damn. So so he's a lot bigger than I gave him credit for. So so with that, I was like, okay, so he's a lot bigger than I know of, but I mean, and and I was entertained with that one, so I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna crap on him or anything like that. But I'll definitely think he's better than George Lopez, though.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, like I said, I I know when I'm saying that it's it's a personal personal view versus what the sales say.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so so let's we can't agree on top five, right? So let's agree on let's just agree to disagree. What's your top? Like if you had to choose, I know like with me personally, if somebody tells me Richard Pryor, I was like, yeah, I can't really combat Richard Pryor, but when I go to I'm on a long trip on vacation and I'm driving 13 hours because I don't want to fly, because I want to save some money, and I put on a stand-up, I'm not going Richard Pryor, honestly. Really? No, I'm going Eddie Murphy Raw, I'm going Chris Rock, I'm going Cat Williams, I'm going Kill Me Softly, You're So Crazy. Like, I'm going with one of those. Like, what is your top go-to if you wanted to listen to a stand-up comic?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I if I think I've certainly said this before on the podcast, but I don't I don't typically like to watch things multiple times. Yeah, but you're listening to it, so it's different. Well uh with with that in mind, I would I I would easily pick Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Easy. Okay. I I would pick uh Richard Pryor. Yeah, he's got a bunch of great stuff. Yeah, his I I don't know of a time that he let me down, even though it was when I was barely catching up because he was technically a little bit before my time. I would uh put uh Dave Chappelle. Chappelle's great, and then I would do like Bill Bill Burr and George Lopez. Or no, Paul Rodriguez. Paul Rodriguez.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, yeah, that's better, much better. Much better.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, what's up, Rodriguez?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so we'll agree on Eddie Murphy Raw. And there you go. Give us your top five.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean But the motion is uh pick your type five top five and have reasons for it.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. All right, there you go. Borderproof, Eddie Murphy Raw. Go listen to it. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post about it on your social media, and or leave a rating and review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram and X. So thanks again, and we'll see you next time.
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