The Chivalry Chronicles
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The Chivalry Chronicles
Episode 037 (Chivalry After Hours) - "Vampires & Sinners" & Movies that Set Rules
Leo and Jaime discuss "Sinners," the Ryan Coogler movie starring Michael B. Jordan. Also, they discuss the rules the movie sets for vampires and how they compare with other vampires movies.
- Fright Knight (1985)
- Fright Knight (2011)
- Interview with a Vampire
- Twilight
- Underworld Series
- Lost Boys
- Bram Stoker's Dracula
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If by some chance, some stroke of luck, or some act of God, you have stumbled upon this broadcast, you are listening to The Chivery Chronicles with your host, Dr. DLH. David, we're gonna bring the team. Yeah. And me, Jaime. They need to make uh podcast equipment a lot more expensive to get some of these clowns off the air. Gather around as we discussed a modern manly approach to chivalry. So I hope you're ready, because I know we are. So let's get into it. And we're back with the chivalry chronicles. And this is what we're calling uh after hours, is that correct, right? Chivalry after dark? After dark. There you go. After dark. That means all the normal people have gone, you know, and we snuck back in to the to the studio and did this one. So today we're gonna talk about sinners. And we're gonna mix in some some some vampire stuff. I think what we're going what we're gonna do, Lel and I, oh, by the way, Lel's with me. Lel Noriega, basically the the vampire expert. Is that right?
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I'm vampire dabbler. Like I said last time, it's okay to say you just like some stuff, you're not, you gotta be the expert at everything.
SPEAKER_01:Why not, dog? That's what I got you on here for. Can't be having just regular folk, dog. We gotta have experts. But so what we're gonna do, I I think this is a new thing that we should new thing that we should do. We're gonna do movies that create rules. So we figured Sinners just came out this year. It's probably one of the better movies of the year. If you haven't seen it, sorry. So we're gonna have some spoilers. You might want to skip this episode or go watch it and then come back. Sinners came out this year.
SPEAKER_03:What was your uh, other than me telling you you gotta watch Sinners, what was your like awareness of this movie?
SPEAKER_01:Liana, my daughter. She called, she called me and she's like, Have you seen Sinners? And I said no. And she said, You gotta watch Sinners. And I said, Okay, cool. And then Joaquin and his boy, he came in, he came over and he's like, Ms. Trima, you seen Sinners? I said, No, sir, and he's like, best movie of the year. You know, he's like, uh, Michael B. Jordan should get a should get an Oscar for it. I was like, okay, let's calm down. Calm down.
SPEAKER_03:But hey, wait, didn't you did didn't didn't you board approve Michael B. Jordan is an overactor in another episode?
SPEAKER_01:I did not. Me personally, I think he's a great actor. The other host said he was an overactor, which I completely disagreed, and I stood my ground. And I still stand my ground. He's a great actor. Which is which is why this movie is really good, right? Because you pair anytime you pair Michael B. Jordan with Ryan Kugler, it's like for some reason, you know, it's probably like Leonardo and Nolan, or you know what I'm saying? It's just like he gets the best out of them. I don't I don't understand.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Scorsese and Leo, Scorsese and De Niro, that kind of vibe. Nolan with Killian Murphy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Killian, Leo. Hardy.
SPEAKER_03:Tom Hardy, yeah. Marion Coltiard. Which all which Cotiar, yeah. Which next year in uh what is it, the Odyssey, all these? I don't know if they're all coming back, but there's a lot of Nolan lifers going back for that one. Anyway, what you were saying. Oh, have you seen Fruit Veil Station?
SPEAKER_01:No, but that's another one. I think that's one of his first movies, right? Michael B. Jordan?
SPEAKER_03:That's a that's the first one they that's the first one they did together. That's Kugler's first movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, correct. Yeah, so so I think that they have something about them that that they just I think Kugler understands him really well and puts them in in really great characters.
SPEAKER_03:And this one is Killmonger, Adonis, Adonis Creed, like so. You were wrong on the overactor thing. What I mean, sorry.
SPEAKER_02:Missquoted for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Great viral clip. Yeah, nobody knows what that is.
SPEAKER_00:Look it up.
SPEAKER_01:It's Michael B. Jordan. Yeah. So anyway, Sanders came out, I guess, first quarter of the year. Sometimes April, yeah, something like that. As Ryan Kugler is the director, he wrote it, and then it has a bunch of really good actors, right? Uh Haley Steinfeld's in it. Mm-hmm. Uh, who's the old guy that is bona fide from blood in blood out?
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That guy cheers me out. Every time I see him, all I think about is bona fide.
SPEAKER_03:But it's Delta Swim. Delta Slim, which we were talking about, was a great nickname.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. And so I don't know how you want to go through the review for sinners. Like, I have my notes. Like you and I talked about, I just as I was watching the movie, I just started jotting down notes on my on my phone. So with this movie, if you don't know, like I said, there's gonna be a bunch of spoilers. So press pause. Go watch the movie and then come back. It does have vampires, right? And this movie's kind of like you and I were talking about, it's kind of like two movies. Yeah. Like the uh the beginning is a little bit different, then it gets into like the actual vampire stuff. The other thing that I think you and I were talking about is that the way it's what was it, it starts at the end and then backs up.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Uh one of my one of my favorite movie tropes starts at the beginning, like the beginning of the movie is the end of the movie, and then we work towards that. And then also the movie takes place in a day. I just love those, and it has both of those.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Some of my favorite movies stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so as I was watching a movie, the the the first thing I jotted down was the two the two characters, which they're identical twins, and it's smoke and stack. They have they have different accents, you know, or one is a little bit more street, I guess. I don't know, and the other one's very, you know, it just seems not as savvy just by the way he talks. Yeah. And I thought that was interesting because you know, like we have brothers, right? And and we all kind of sound the same. I mean, there's I guess there's there's something that that anytime that I introduced you or any, you know, my two older brothers, even my sister, right? When you introduce them to your college friends, they're like, Yeah, y'all act the same. Or man, I can't tell y'all part, you know what I'm saying, just whenever you're talking and that type of stuff. Man, y'all sound alike, that type of stuff.
SPEAKER_03:So I thought that was I used to, I used to uh, yeah, I used to uh people used to tell me, I think if I spent too much time in Dallas that I'd come back and I'd sound more Dallas. I'm like, what I don't know what you mean. Like, I guess it's the thing. Like you sound more Dallas when you come back from Dallas. Like, okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you pick up all that stuff, man. It's like, you know, like that that uh it's like a it's not a it's not slang.
SPEAKER_04:It's affectation.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. The way the way uh there's certain things that you say in in Dallas. Even Dallas is is you know, just saying Dallas sounds Dallas.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But it's a bit of a twang too. There's a little bit of a twang up there. It's kind of it's kind of funny.
SPEAKER_03:No, I was telling you that I think uh I was telling you, I think our oldest brother has a crazy country twang. I don't know where it came from. It's just been there. I don't know if I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, some of our uncles.
SPEAKER_03:So to me, it wasn't so to me, it wasn't like beyond the realm of possibilities that they have, you know, even being identical twins, they sound also it's probably just for the movie, so you can discern between the two of them, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right. So so you're saying that the the hats, the different color hats and the different type of hats wasn't enough. It's like which I thought it was cool. Like I was that's all I need.
SPEAKER_03:Let's get like real quick though. I just need a shout out. Okay, another thing you borderproof was don't watch movies more than once. What that's another thing you borderproof.
SPEAKER_00:Man, you were your own one. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it again. Misquoted for sure.
SPEAKER_03:So I've seen this movie maybe like five or six times now. That first scene where they're where they're lighting up a cigarette and passing it back and forth is amazing. Like how how did how did they do their thing? This isn't like 80s freaking sitcoms where you know the two people are standing next to each other and clearly they're you know, yeah, like it looks so fake.
SPEAKER_01:Or like a fucking what was it, Terminator 2? All those with they were they were actual twins? Yeah, and Terminator 2, like that cop, like the heavy set cop at the prison. Well, what's her what's her face, the main character? She's a twin. And so they but this was it's pretty good. I agree.
SPEAKER_03:No, like I mean, what I'm drawing a blank on like eighties and nineties. So well, you know, friends, you know what's friends, but she was a twin and it's just so fake when you see it on screen. But this is the feat of freaking filmmaking. Just to watch that scene again, like when you the next time you watch the movie, because yeah, I've seen it too. I just had to shout out that the that I just had to shout that out the then one of the uh most recent times of songs like that is insane. Anyway, continue.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And so the other thing that that uh I'm just gonna go down writing my notes because they're in they're in almost in chronological order, because I just started, you know, writing stuff down as it came to me. It says when he's talking to that little girl, they drive up and he says the numbers gotta talk to each other. Because he tells her, like, look, I need you to watch the truck. I can pay you like what is this, like a 50 cents a minute, something like that. Because now I've given you something, now you need to kind of come back at me, and the numbers gotta talk to each other. And I thought that was kind of cool, but then I guess it just sets up how he thinks and just the way he operates. Because you do you do see him haggling later on with the when they buy the property and also talking to the I think it's a Japanese family or uh the the husband and wife kind of talks to them too in the same way. But I thought that was kind of cool and it was a little different. And at first I thought, man, they're they don't come back to it, but they do.
SPEAKER_03:I think they're I think they're Chinese, aren't they? That's I think it's it's really like yeah, you're probably right.
SPEAKER_01:Probably right.
SPEAKER_03:Everything is like meticulously plain now, everything's accurate to the era. And there was probably in the what is it called? Mississippi Delta. In the Mississippi Delta, all of it seems very, you know, thoroughly researched and purposeful.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it it says it's it was set in like the 1930s. Yep. And something that I guess you get, but they don't really get, you know, I I guess you and I talked about it before we did the podcast. You you could, I mean, they could have just made a movie about the first half, and and that would have been a great movie. Because they touch upon them being identical twins, they're going to World War I, they're veterans, you know, all this stuff. They they mention it and you kind of get get the idea of that, but you don't see any of that. So I mean, you could spend a lot of time with them two, just kind of through their life and how they you know how they got this reputation. But you don't see any of that in this movie. You just kind of hear about it, they talk about it, and then they move on.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the uh the first like 40 minutes, maybe 45 minutes, and just this really cool theory piece. And like I was telling you, the the movie I thought of immediately was From Dust of Dawn, because that's two movies.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And they said it on purpose. Like we wanted to make two movies and split them together. The first one is this, I mean, spoilers or from Dust of Dawn, which was coming out in 1995, 96. Spoiler alert. Um is uh like a bank robbery on the run prime movie. And then boom, right in the middle, just Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, that's really messed up. I watched it. I watched it uh recently too. I saw it in the theaters. I don't know if you did.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, yeah, I did.
SPEAKER_03:And then right smack in the middle is just 180 and it's a vampire movie. This isn't as jarring as that, but that's the one I thought of for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So at the beginning of the movie, there's you know, he pays that little girl to watch a truck. He gets alerted that somebody's trying to steal because it's a it's a truck that's covered, but you assume there's I guess beer or alcohol or something back there, right? And two guys are trying to steal from there, and I think it's smoke shows up. I think it's smoke, right? He shows up and he shoots the dude. And and and then the other guy, you know, is like, why'd you shoot him? He didn't, you know, he goes, Well, I can't have you know, I can't have somebody saying that they almost robbed from the smoke's uh uh the smoke stack's twins. You know, it's like he had to shoot him. I was like, damn, that's cold-blooded. Stack is, I guess, wears the maroon uh hat and then Smoke has a blue hat.
SPEAKER_04:They go and they they doesn't he say, like, you shot me in the ass.
SPEAKER_03:It kind of just gave me training day Denzel. I don't know if that was uh a callback. Am I tripping or didn't he say you shot me in the ass?
SPEAKER_00:I don't remember that specific term, but he does shoot him in the ass. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_01:So the the movie, so okay, so you got these twins, they're coming back into town, they're like dressed to the nines, they have alcohol, and they're trying to open up they call it juke joint, right? And I guess it's just a like a nightclub. And then they go get recruit this uh this guy named Delta Slim, which I told Lal, that's that's a cool nickname.
SPEAKER_00:That's just that's just a badass nickname, you know, Delta Slim. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then uh they're trying to convince him to play for him because he plays the piano, you know, just an all-around musician. I think he was playing uh the harmonica or something. He was just out on the street, and then uh he's like, no, I'm not doing it. And then he's like, we got this what is it, Irish beer or something like that?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, even that is a whole negotiation, too. You know, it's like I could play at so-and-so for the next however many Saturdays. I'm not gonna just drop everything for y'all. And he, you know, the beer is what tips them over the you know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Beer is beer though, right? Beer is beer. I don't know. This is an Irish beer.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know how this Irish beer was just like, man, is it a luxury? What that guy he he saw that beer, he's like, I'm in. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And real quick, I told you this uh uh before also, like anytime a beer, like a a beer scene in the movies like this one, that definitely that I could I could feel how much that beer tasted good too. Kind of like Inglorious Basset. Yeah. Remember in Glorious Bassets, they have the boot, and you can see the just like, man, beer sounds good.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, how how hot is this beer though, dog? How hot is it? I mean, how yeah. I mean, it it probably tastes like, you know, I don't know, I can't I can't say it's that great, but you know, I wouldn't mind taking the swig, dog.
SPEAKER_03:Um I wanna see what the also the scene uh yeah. And he says, I don't know how many more he says he has. Ice cold, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I also think I always think of the scene in Shawshank on the on the roof of the prison when they're drinking beers up there. I don't know. Just not an alcoholic, I promise, I just like beer scenes in the movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so right in that same scene, Haley Stansfield comes out. Her name is Mary, I think, in this movie. And then the what I have in my notes is like Haley has black scent. You know, she's like when she comes out there, she sounds so in the you know, it at that time, like in that time, which I thought was like, damn, I didn't know I didn't know Haley kind of wrote like that. Like that's that's kind of cool. That's some damn good acting if it if it doesn't come in natural, you know what I'm saying? So I thought that was pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's just you know, also just being from the south and everyone's kind of country, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. You kind of get the get the gist that she that she had a prior relationship with uh was stack. And there's some conversations in there that you know we we won't go into in this podcast.
SPEAKER_00:But you're like, damn. It's like damn, I didn't know Haley. Okay. Like, all right, then.
SPEAKER_03:Josh Allen said, I gotta wipe her, I gotta wipe her up now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Josh Allen.
SPEAKER_01:He was like, Yeah, I need to go ahead and get that squared away.
SPEAKER_03:Take her, take her off the market immediately.
SPEAKER_01:All right, so then so then it it stack, right? Stack has the former relationship with Haley Steinfeld, which is Mary. So smoke is now they they split up, right? Stack takes that little kid.
SPEAKER_03:Back to that scene though. One of my favorite lines, Haley tells him, You burn in hell, Stack. He goes, I will. Like it's just really cool, you know, considering where we end up, and people have argued with me, like, well, he didn't go to hell, but we'll get there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's well, what was kind of crazy is like the the poster itself. When I when I saw it, I was like, Oh, that looks cool, you know. It I I didn't know it was vampire, like in Sensing, when you just see the movie poster, and uh he's got a gun, so you're like, okay, so what's going on here? But on the movie poster, it says, Dance with the devil. So I was thinking, okay, you know, but then you watch the movie, you're like, okay, what does that have to do with anything? But when it starts off, right? The the preacher boy is the son of a preacher. That's the beginning of the movie, and then they pick him up, he plays, he plays in the guitar, he's you know, an a musician, or he wants to be a musician. So but the first thing you this kid has a deep ass voice. Like his voice is like I don't know how many octaves I don't think it is. Like, it's it's deep.
SPEAKER_03:His first uh his first starring role, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like his day debut as an actor? Like, jeez.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Like, I don't know where they found this kid. Like, I mean, yeah, they said he's just that's it. You know, that's that's the first time he's been in a big movie like that. So we were talking about how Stack is on because they split up the the twin brothers, right? So Stack goes with that preacher boy, Sammy, I think, and then Smoke goes to do his own recruiting, right? For this juke joint, and he visits with at first you don't know who she is, but then you kind of start figuring out, okay, that's they had a relationship, must be, you know, former girlfriend or something, but it turns out that it's his wife, which uh at that be at the beginning you don't you can't really tell. But it takes you a minute, and then you're like, oh, okay, no, they no, this was a this was a relationship, you know, like a like a couple.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we we have established both like love interests for both characters pretty pretty early.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and so she's into like voodoo stuff, and uh what I th what I find always funny, oh what I find strange is that you know uh I put down on my notes.
SPEAKER_04:Well it's well it's who it's voodoo.
SPEAKER_01:Hoodoo. Hoodoo, yes.
SPEAKER_03:It's different. Yeah. Is that what you said on about not that you said voodoo, but hoodoo.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no. Again, I did say voodoo.
SPEAKER_03:Super accurate, super accurate to the time he did his freaking research. I learned stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, no, there's a bunch of terms that they use that I had never heard of. Hoodoo was one of them. The other one was uh a haint. They're like what they're trying to figure out what the vampires are. She cat she calls them a haint, and I had never heard that word. But in my notes, when when he's talking to her, you know, I it's you know, I say it as a why do always why do people always yank chains? You know, when they're trying to hand, they just yank the shit off. Like, why do you just why not just unclasp it, dog? Like now I gotta fix it, you know.
SPEAKER_00:It's like it happens in just about every movie you can think of where you're just the you know Wolverine does it, you know, when he gives Rogue his his uh dog tags.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That one's a little bit easier because that little that class is not really a class, but other movies, you know Toretto does it, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Have you ever seen ATL with T I?
SPEAKER_02:No, but I've I've seen that meme than Lauren London.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Another movie that I I watch it all the time. It's one of those, it's a stop down movie, right? Yeah. For me, it's one of those goofy movies. But he does the same thing, he yanks the chain off Lauren London, like, man, that's a gold chain. You pay for that.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's just a thing, dog. NFL players do it to each other, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Remember when what was that, that Denver Broncos corner, they yanked the wide receiver for the Raiders. It was Texas Tech player anyway. He just yanked his shit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. That's definitely a thing. It's a it's a it's a trope.
SPEAKER_00:So well, even even Friday, right? Debo yanks.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah. My grandmama gave me that change.
SPEAKER_00:It's just a thing. I just don't understand it. I'm like, why do you need to do that?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, he's gonna cry in the car.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, wait, why you ain't do that? Why you ain't do nothing? I would have helped y'all. He's like, oh, like that time dude was choking me out and and smoke. Oh, that was different.
SPEAKER_03:No, smoke is like, man, I'm a probation.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that was different.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so anyway.
SPEAKER_01:So now we're we're kind of getting to the part where I guess this is one of the first times that you see the vampire remick go to this house. Looks like he's getting chased, you know, he's all kind of jacked up. There's these birds circling this house. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Balls out of the sky, like seemingly from our point of view.
SPEAKER_01:Really? I guess I missed that shit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. They uh no, just the way the camera, the way the camera's framed, it just looks like he drops in on the shot.
SPEAKER_06:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Like I'm not saying he literally literally fell from the sky, but that it's it's some kind of like, you know, I I see what he was doing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So he goes to the door and it's a couple, you know, it's a young couple, and he's like, Hey, let me in, all this and that. And she's a little hesitant. The guy's like, now go ahead, and and then all of a sudden, it that's the end of that scene. But he looks pretty jacked up, like, why would you let this man in? You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't make any sense.
SPEAKER_03:And he he does see the clan cloak there for a second, like the camera stands to that. I don't know if that was part of his intention or just he went to the nearest place he could find, but the clan uh iconography is right there for us to see.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think he uses that to his advantage, you know, kind of probably, you know, to gain favor. And then you don't see them, you don't see him turning them or anything like that. You just the next time you see them, they're just all together. Yeah. Anyway, on my notes, I guess this is when when Mary Haley Steinfeld shows up. It's probably at the juke joint, right?
SPEAKER_03:And and oh, but you missed, but don't let's not forget about the indigenous vampire hunters.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what I was gonna get to because there's the scenes move around, but yes, yeah, we could we could talk about that. So the these so these Native Americans are are chasing seemingly chasing this dude, and then they come to the door and they're like, we know he's in there, get him out, you're in danger, you're in danger, girl.
SPEAKER_00:Molly, you in danger, girl. Molly, you in danger, girl. Call back the ghost. And then they're like, no, he's not here. And then my boys are like, all right, well, fuck it. And then they left. It's like it's getting dark.
SPEAKER_03:We gotta the other ones in the you know, in the cavalry are like, hey man, the sun's going down. Let's get out of here. They made their decision.
SPEAKER_00:Which you and I were talking. That would be a great movie. Like we need to know more about those motherfuckers, because they look like they know what they're doing.
SPEAKER_03:No, Ryan Kugler could definitely freaking do it up big like he did with Wilkana Forever representation for us. Right. He's he he's the truth. Ryan Kugler is the truth right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so so that was a great scene that you you don't really know what's going on, and then you never see them again. Uh, you know, I thought maybe they come in at the end, but they don't. They just that's it. It's a cameo, and they leave. Like what? So the two brothers back to them, they're they're recruiting all these people, singers, you know, musicians, cooks, the Chinese family, is like the suppliers and all this stuff trying to get this nightclub.
SPEAKER_03:Making the signs and stuff, making the signs. Great scene with Delta Slim where they're just driving through with Preacher Boy, and that's where they recruit cornbread. Like, this good, like all of this is gold. It's great.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. And then part of it is there's a lot of great dialogue that we won't go into, but you gotta watch the movie because when he's talking to I think it's cornbread, and they're trying to get him on, and then his wife is right there. He's like, My wife is right here. He's like, Well then let me talk to her, then you know what I'm saying? And then he ups the amount of money, and she's like, Okay, like yeah, sounds good to me.
SPEAKER_00:I thought that shit was freaking hilarious. She's like, Yeah, yeah, back to like the my last episode. I would have been left. Go make that money, mama. Like what you still doing here. Anyway, so we go back and then also, also that actor, cornbread, is uh what you call it.
SPEAKER_03:He's like uh that guy, like oh yeah, the rewatchables would say. Um I saw him, I was like, he was in Transform. He's in freaking eight mile. He's just I don't know his name. You just see him and it's like that's so-and-so.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. No, he he looks just like what's his name? Ah, I can't remember his name. Forest Whitaker? Yeah, he looks like a young Forrest Whitaker. Yeah, he was in ballers. He was the left tackle or the right tackle.
unknown:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He's in in a lot of stuff. He just reminds me of Forrest Whitaker in uh in Fast Times.
SPEAKER_02:How young he looked. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So just good because like you see him as kind of a comedic actor, so bringing that energy to some of that to Sanders is not like particularly a funny movie unless he's involved, right? Like some of the stuff is I just thought it was a great cast in choice. Oh, yeah. Whatever his name is.
SPEAKER_01:Look at the cast because yeah, he's you but just as soon as you see him, you're like, oh yeah, with eight mile.
SPEAKER_06:That guy.
SPEAKER_03:And Transformers. Transformers. He was hilarious in Transformers. The first one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. What I have on my notes is when Hayley Steinfeld says, Boy, if you don't get the fuck up out my face.
SPEAKER_06:He says, Are you sure you're supposed to be here?
SPEAKER_01:That shit, oh my God. Her her she played a great role. Like I was, I you know, I wouldn't have known to to uh cast her in this movie. I wouldn't have known that she had that side to her. But every time she comes on, all eyes on her, right? It it just she's really good.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, when she when she said that Kate Bishop. I don't know if you watched the Hawkeye show.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, this is a girl in the yeah, she's Kate Bishop.
SPEAKER_02:Them two.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, them two are just that whole scene with them eating, she's eating uh mac and cheese. Yeah, mac and cheese is like where she really only has like one utensil, like one sandwich.
SPEAKER_03:Also, she's Spider-Gwen in the Spider-Verse movies, but we know you're a Spider-Man hater, but you know.
SPEAKER_02:Misquoted for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So anyway, like and she uh I think she explains in the movie, like her mama's daddy was half black, you know, so that's why she's she considers herself black, but I guess people consider her white. And she can kind of go back and forth.
SPEAKER_04:And I think that's true. I think that's true to life, though.
SPEAKER_03:I thought that she that's actually the case in real life. That she's a that she's a quarter black. Hey dog. Pretty sure. That's uh just like we claimed Lupita, we claim Lupita claim alien. Filipino and African American. I'm just looking at her. But anyway, I'm pretty sure like that was a real thing.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So then there's something there. I wonder if she if she had to like do a crash course in Black Scent to to uh uh study from the later when uh he said like I'll get one of the I'll get someone to drag your ass out of here.
SPEAKER_03:She goes, You taught me how to fuck. I'll be every bitch of the she's just gets it, you know.
SPEAKER_01:She's great. The other thing, so if I'm looking at my notes, it says which it it showed the brothers again, you know, because now they're they're getting ready for the the the nightclub, the juke joint. And I was like, why do they have the same haircut? Which I guess, I mean, to me, it's just little stuff like that. Like, why do they have the same haircut? Like, I guess it's easier just for the roles, but man, if you're really gonna do it up, do it up right. You know, like we're you know, there were there's four of us, right? Brothers, and we have our sister. We didn't all have the same haircut. I mean, we all had long hair in high school, but it didn't look the same, you know what I'm saying? We just had a different little twist to it. So I thought that was you know, that's just something I I have on there. And then this is when they start playing, you know, right after that, they start playing music and they introduce uh the preacher boy, Sammy, I think. Right? And Delta Slim says, Tell them who you are and where you're from. And I wrote that down because I was like, that's the essence of hip-hop. I I I took it as that, right?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I didn't yeah. And that's what you did, you know, at the with the beginning of hip hop, that's that's what you did, you know. Well, NWA says it in their album uh who you are, what you got, or about a sucker mc. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's the essence of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like uh and if you listen to any any of LL's first album, that's all he talks about. You know, I'm bad. I'm you know, you know, like all that whole that whole song is about who he is and where he's from. And that that was basically most of hip hop, you know, Queens. You know what I'm saying? Queens or you know, uh the Boogie Down Bronx, is you know, Compton, you know, you you always said where you were.
SPEAKER_03:Staten Island, the Wu Tang clan is like all they represent all of New York, right? Right. So so and so's from Staten Island, so-and-so's from Brooklyn, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Shaolin, dog, Shaolin.
SPEAKER_03:It's just you know that I didn't think of it that way. I don't know if you said that to me before, but yeah, yeah. I yeah, I see that too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And then this was probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie is when he starts playing music. And I don't know who says it, but I think maybe it's maybe it's Smoke's wife. But somebody's narrating, or somebody's saying something, and they said that it that music pierces the veil between life and death.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's the opening credits, she says.
SPEAKER_01:Really?
SPEAKER_03:And then they run it back during the scene to like hit you over the head with it. Which you know, a lot of a lot of people, this is where the movie lost some people, which is unfortunate because it's a great scene. But she tells you from the jump what's going on with the the music element, which we hadn't even talked about the music, the the score is freaking amazing. And this scene kind of encapsulates all of it in one. And uh yeah, it was what's her name? But yeah, anyway, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:So uh that that whole scene is is was man, it was so well done because you you have him playing music, right? You have him playing a guitar and singing, and then it fast forwards into the future, right? You have somebody with an electric guitar, it fast forwards to a DJ, yeah, it goes all the way back to the beginning, you know, and then even you know, the the Chinese couple that are they have some of their ancestors kind of intertwined with all this other stuff going on while they're dancing and and having a good time. Now, I've always read that music is like time traveling, right? That a certain song takes you back to that moment in time, back to when you were a kid, or back to when you're you know, like the first time you saw that band in in the concert, and it gives you those those vibes, that feel. But the way they showed it, I mean you know, it's it's it's like whenever uh Nolan showed in uh Inception showed you uh told you about dreaming, right? It's like you know, you you don't you don't get a lot of specifics, but your brain fills all that in. And the way the way they did this, I think showed it about as about as well as I've ever seen it done, with music kind of tying you to your ancestors. And it kind of tying you to the future too. Because the music kind of passed down, right? Like, you know, I know with my kids, you know, whenever whenever little or whenever I'd take them to daycare, I'd play different type of music. You know, I would take a week, like in the summer, I would play uh Led Zeppelin for the whole week, you know, just to kind of get them immersed in it, and then uh maybe Black Sabbath, you know, then I would play Runde MC, you know, then I would play like ACDC, just different ty Lauren Hill, you know, just different types of music so that they would kind of you know get a feel for it. And man, I mean, what did you think about that scene whenever whenever it was going? Like I I I loved it. I thought it was the best part of the movie.
SPEAKER_03:No, yeah. No, and to me, the people that didn't get it, it's like you just weren't paying attention then, or you didn't that's kind of uh that's the crux of the movie, right? Like what does his dad tell him? Like, you keep dancing with the what is he telling me keep dancing with the devil? He's gonna come home with your son to that effect, yeah. And you know, like the his music was so powerful, so pure music in general, I think is what we're talking about, and sort of the like co-option of of black music, and you know, he like you were talking about Led Zeppelin. He was somebody like Led Zeppelin who just took all these old blue songs and just made them palatable. I don't know what they like, they create heavy metal, right?
SPEAKER_06:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And that's what I appreciate so much about this movie where like they don't ignore that, they lean into it, right? There's metal soundtrack later in the movie, right? Yeah, even at the very very end, spoilers like uh I don't like the electric shit. I don't want to hear the real. You know what I'm saying? So it's it's a real commentary on on all of that. So no, I I thought it was great. It uh you know, the DJ, the electric guitar, the uh you know, trap beats or whatever, and yeah, everything. It just it it it all worked. I I got it. Some people didn't get it, some people didn't like it, but you weren't paying attention to the movie. Yeah, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think part of it is when you when you were telling me that, I was like, I guess I didn't I didn't really I wanted to hear about that, that some people just didn't get it. But the soundtrack is is amazing, but Ryan Kugler's so good at that. Like, remember the first time he saw Black Panther and and the beginning scene, it's too short because they're in freaking Oakland. You know, when you're sitting at a theater and you hear too short on a freaking Marvel, Marvel movie, you know, you get kind of hype about that.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's like we were watching uh Creed 3. Yeah, and the scene were in the theater, and I and I could hear the music like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Like, what is this? Like, what is it? And then eventually, like he's dropping the hints of what the song is. It's the watcher, Dr. Dre.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like Yeah, dun dun dun dun he's a genius.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, he's he's so good at at at infusing like the soundtrack, all that stuff. Like it, it's it's so good, and I think he's he's just got he's got the touch, man. He's he he knows he knows what music is gonna take you to that to that place.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, who would have thought to put in all the movies and uh even in Wakanda Forever, like all those that soundtrack's amazing, even the Black Panther soundtrack. Remember when our sister I there was was talking about she don't know anything about Kendrick and Lamar, and you're like, Yeah, you do you saw Black Panther. You know. That's right. She goes, and that like that song when the movie ends, the first Black Panther with all the stars, Kendrick Lamar and Sissas. I that song is amazing. They play he plays it at he played it at the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, he gets he gets and like I was saying with Connor forever, all those songs in Spanish are off of that whole soundtrack. Like he just knows how to use music effectively. Like all the movies I'm obsessed with have great soundtracks.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's why I like you know, Tarantino mo Tarantino movies so much, or yeah, a score, a score, or the way you use move music is important, and Kugler gets that. And he knows how to like infuse hip-hop and you know, like the blues in this music. I mean in this movie, it's just amazing.
SPEAKER_01:It's I think it it's there's so many good parts to the movie, like we were talking about. This could be two movies, it could be three movies, and you forget about you know certain aspects of it, but then when you go back to it, you're like, man, the music is probably the best part. Like I I've said, you know, like three different things about this movie that could be the best part, but he's so good at like intertwining them together and and kind of just keeps hitting you with something better, right? It's like the story's really good. Yeah, the music is really good. Oh shit, you put a twist in it, now you got vampires in it. That was really good, you know. And and I I think you were saying, like, what did what did you say? Like, I don't care if they make a sequel or a prequel prequel, it's fine the way it is. You know, I'll probably watch it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I'll watch it. I don't, I would, I would if you're gonna revisit this world, let Ryan Kugler do it. No one else, I don't need a TV show. Like, if he's gonna do it, I know he's gonna say he's gonna take the care with it. Yeah, but I don't, you know, like I don't need 17 movies like the conjuring verse, and he's just the producer, like, nah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, I think they said that it took a while for him to get this movie out, and part of it is just the uh the massive amount of research that he does for for, I mean, even like we were talking about haints. Like, I had never heard that work before in my life. So after I watched a movie, I went and looked it up. Like, what is that? And it's just it's just a ghost or an evil spirit, like, and she says, These aren't haints, these these are this is there, they're something different. Man, I guess at the time. Right.
SPEAKER_03:And then yeah, smoke is like, I've been all over, I've seen this, I've seen that, I've never seen a demon or whatever. He doesn't believe in it.
SPEAKER_01:Correct.
SPEAKER_03:He doesn't believe in any of that shit, right? Yeah, but he still carries the freaking bag just in case, though.
SPEAKER_01:The what was it? The mojo bag.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, just in case though, and that's what I told you this. That's a our mom, she's seen and predicted things that are unexplainable.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I don't necessarily believe in it, but I'm gonna trust her, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm just gonna do that with it. Yeah, I think when that that's when he's talking to her, right? When he's talking to his wife, Annie, I think, Annie. Um he says, or she believes that that little mojo bag or her prayers kept them alive when they were were orphan war.
SPEAKER_03:And he's like in Chicago, and Chicago and that war.
SPEAKER_01:He's like, whatever, you know, because he's still thinking about their daughter. I guess their daughter passed away from something, and I don't even know how she died, but it looks like she died at a young age, you know, probably under five years old, something like a baby. So he's more worried about that. And he's probably thinking, well, if that if you if prayers work, why didn't they work on this? Which is kind of like with most people, you know, you look at the harshness of it. You forget that others.
SPEAKER_03:That's kind of a right, and that's kind of one of the major plot points in From Dust to Dawn, because the dad, Harvey Cattell, is a preacher, right? And he's a faith, faithless preacher, right? Because his his wife died.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:If I'm not mistaken. Right. Remember that? And it's like, and then when the the threat comes, George Cleeney is like, you're a preacher, you're a faithless preacher, but you can bless the water and turn it into holy water. But now like now we're getting we need to get into the whole rules of it all, but yeah, continue.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, let's get to the rules, because that's that's this is where it gets into that, right? When they so when I was watching the movie, I was like, because you see Remick, which is a vampire that visited the young couple, the the clan, we'll call them the clan couple, right? Because they were in a clan. Yeah, yeah. And then now you see them, they're all together, right? They're all together and they're playing music. My notes are like, how the hell they start learning how to play music, you know, and now they're harmonizing.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? Pick poor Robin Clean. Pick poor Robin Clean.
SPEAKER_00:And let's see, I mean, uh, my daughter, Eliana, was like, and they sounded good. Like, I was feeling it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, it was even uh which one of the twins has got ball in the head, like, hey, that's a good tune.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so that was my that was my next, you know, my notes. Um my notes say, you know, we're gonna walk through the street. But then you know that's what Remic says. But then they start playing music, and it they all they're in, they're in, you know, they're together, they they know how to play all the instruments, they know all the lyrics all of a sudden. I'm like, what the f you know, how the fuck did this side? You know, they ain't even been that long, dog. It's been like two hours.
SPEAKER_03:But then, no, I'm saying then eventually, you know, it's a hive mind and all that good stuff, but he can access everyone's memories and all that, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So eventually you get your you get your answer.
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, in the moment, it's like, what the hell? As you're watching it, like, what the hell's going on here?
SPEAKER_04:And then he stops him and he goes, It's just it was just about to get good.
SPEAKER_01:Now let's get back, let's get into the rules, right? And so my daughter, when she called me, she's like, It's it's about it's vampires. It was like cool. She goes, They have this thing in the movie where you have to invite them in. And I said, Yeah, that's yes, that's uh that's part of the vampires, you know. If you look at Fright Knight in 1985, you know, you have to invite them in order to come in, you know. So I was like, Yeah, that's and the remake, right? They there was yeah, right? Yeah, it was like 2011, they they did a remake. And that that was that was part of that. What I thought was cool about this one was the pickled garlic. You know, it's like they I think they they threw it at at one of the vampires and it kind of I guess burned them or something.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, she had the uh she had the uh the jar with the liquid where she had the garlic and that right so she's kind of figuring it out as we're as she's observing what's happening, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:So you know, fat like they they figure out. She kind of gotta fast forward to when when everyone's starting to turn.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:You know.
SPEAKER_01:So they they figure out the garlic, they figure out the silver, the holy water, the wooden stake through the heart, that type of stuff. And then at the end, well, I think there's like six of them left, and they start making them each one of them eat garlic, right? Because they're like, okay, we need to figure this shit out. Yeah, yeah. Which I thought was kind of cool because the one lady was like, You still got some of that pickle garlic?
SPEAKER_03:It's like Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then uh the Berlin, right?
SPEAKER_00:And uh that she doesn't want to eat it.
SPEAKER_01:And I think Smoke is like, you better, he pulls out his gun, he's like, Man, you better eat that damn garlic, because that's exactly you know, I thought, oh, she's gotta be a vampire, she doesn't want to eat it, but she just didn't want to, right? And then when Delta Slim eats it, he starts reacting to it. You're like, ah shit. I kind of thought he was a vampire, but you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:But he wasn't. He wasn't a vampire, it's just you know, he just drunk.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. It's the it's it's the scene from I think the thing, right? The John Carpenter movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then it also made me think of From Dust of Dawn when the Sex Machine starts to turn into a vampire. And he's trying to he's hearing the voices, right? Like whatever in that movie, the rules of from Dust of Dawn are kind of bad shit, crazy, pun intended. And he starts to get like the fangs. And he's like, wait, I don't want them to see that I'm turning into a vampire. So it made me think of that a little bit. But anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So then, you know, they these are mostly pretty pretty steadfast rules. Like, there was nothing in here that I thought was out of bounds, you know, like really, really out of bounds is Twilight. Like you have vampires are out in the daytime and they sparkle and shit. And it's like, no, that's not that's not that's not part of the rules that that they don't fly play, boys. Better come on in.
SPEAKER_03:And I guess they're I guess they're in the Pacific Northwest where it's downcast and and dreary, but not enough to you're not in like Alaska or something where the sun doesn't come out.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. But also Twilight, they have they have a Twilight has a freaking setup system where the rules are very clear, right? The Volturi or whatever, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, the governing body they're called the Volturi, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. So that's kind of weird that that movie, those movies do have like real set rules, and they kind of explain them. It has its own those movies have their own rules.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And we'll we'll go uh we'll we'll do like a real quick rundown of most of the rules after we finish up. So incinners, let's let's go ahead and close it out, right? So you find out that there's a hive mentality, then once once one of the vampires bites some bite someone, they kind of take over all their memories and then they're spread out throughout the whole group. You know, I thought it was funny, like whenever I guess, you know, you got the whole ending and you know massive killing of vampires and all this and that, and then the the the clan guys show up the next day, you know, because they're gonna kill anybody that's there.
SPEAKER_03:Also, also there at the climax, the the metal guitars are just really yeah, boom, they're coming in, and that's Jerry Cantrell. I looked, I had to look it up. I was like, ooh, what is going on here? Jerry Cantrell from Alice and Shane.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, hell yeah. It just it just it was like a throwback to the 80s horror, right? Because all the 80s horror movies had freaking metal soundtracks.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, docking.
SPEAKER_03:Shout out, shout, shout out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, docking on Nightmare on Elm Street, baby.
SPEAKER_03:Shout out Tales from the Crypt, Demon Knight. They had freaking Megadeth, and like I just I appreciated that. I don't know if that was that was on purpose, but yeah, A C D Chout out uh Ryan Coogler.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh Stephen King from Demon Knight? No, the Stephen King movie. Remember, we had that goblin in front of the diesel? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Uh the name of that movie. It's a Stephen King movie. What is the name of the freaking movie? And it has a little girl that that does the voice for the for the Simpsons, though.
SPEAKER_03:Maximum overdrive. Don't bother me until uh Maximum Overdrive. Jesus Christ. Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_02:What was the song?
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, so I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02:What was the ACDC song?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm now I'm typing. Let me see. Oh, it has uh Who Made Who? Yeah, and Hell's Bell.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was it was Who Made Who? Who Made Who? That's what that's what it was. I want to say that because that's that's the only reason we went to go watch it.
SPEAKER_03:Other than I I love horror movies, but yeah, but it's like, oh shit, you got real quick though, the real quick though, the demonized soundtrack, Pantera, Cemetery Gates, you know, Mega Death, you know, biohazard. I'm just saying. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's it's it's a good man, it's a go-to, dog. If you can have a horror film, you're gonna have vampires, you're gonna have some, you gotta have metal. I mean, come on now. There's no other genre. I guess you could do, you know, like real melancholy shit, but no, you need to have you know, fast, loud clanging.
SPEAKER_03:Even inner even interview with the vampire ends with a guns and roses cover of sympathy for the devil. You know?
SPEAKER_01:I must have forgot that.
SPEAKER_03:Really? Shout out Interview with the vampire, one of my favorite vampire movies. But let's get continues.
SPEAKER_01:All right. So at the end of the movie, you know, there's massive killings left and right, right? And then the the the clan the clansmen show up in the morning and he's like, Grand opening, grand closing.
SPEAKER_00:I was like, I'll right. Chris Rock. Chris Rock, right? Chris Rock, and then Jay-Z used it, and then it was in this movie. I thought, man, that's I guess some people wouldn't get it, but I would think most people got it. Got a little tongue in cheek. Little tongue in cheek. Grand opening, grand closed.
unknown:Grand opening, grand closed.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, and then Sammy goes back to his dad. He's all scratched up, got a big old scratch on the side of his face. You know, spoilers, he kind of makes it. And then his dad tells him, Hey, you need to give up that life, all this and that, and he doesn't. Which you're like, you know, I always like hit pause. I was like, how much more time I got? Like, you know, do I need to get up and get a drink? Or I mean, is it like five minutes?
SPEAKER_00:No, it was another 15 minutes or some shit like that after after that scene.
SPEAKER_01:Because he doesn't let go of that guitar. Like, no. The dad is the preacher is telling the son, Sammy, like, you need to let go of that lifestyle, you need to let go of that of that music, of everything like that, and he doesn't. And then the movie keeps going. Like, I'm thinking it's the end, but it doesn't, right? And then um, you know, they kind of fast forward. Sammy's like probably in the 70s, still playing. And then guess who walks in?
SPEAKER_03:No, and that's the other thing. Like, if you didn't stick around, like, I wonder how many people just walked out of the theater and didn't see this scene, you know, I didn't see it in the movies. I that's well, that's a regret of mine. I'm people kept telling me you need to see this movie in theaters, and I just didn't go. And it's ironic because I've just been watching a lot of movies in the theater, and I missed like the best one all year in the theater. But I wonder how many people, when the credits rolled, why would they stick around, right? It's not a Marvel movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like Coogler is a you know, he's made Marvel movies, so I thought it was interesting that he did that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, uh, it was it was really cool the way he did it. And then when they uh at first I got a little got a little scared from my boy Sammy because they said there's two people here to see you, and I was like, Oh shit. Yeah, and I'm like, Oh, he's about to die. Yeah, but it doesn't, you know. He it's it's uh stack and Mary, oh so Haley Steinfeld, Mary, and um so I have in my notes, I have should they have let the vampires bite them?
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? Because it's not that bad. What'd you think about it? Everybody would have stayed together. The brothers would have been together, Annie wouldn't have died, you know. Haley Steinfeld, apparently, you know, she she lived, Stack lived. I mean, would it it was it such a bad thing?
SPEAKER_03:I mean also just all the way back to where when he tries to turn his brother, it's the what you call it, the necklace that prevents him from doing it, right?
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_03:So, like all of the stuff, all of the uh things that Annie's talking about. Talking about the real. You know, it reminds me of another scene from the from Dusk to Dawn where George Caloney's talking to Harvard Haitel, and he goes, If there's a hill and those sons of a bitch, sons of bitches are from it, then there's gotta be a heaven. There's gotta be.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the prophecy. So the prophecy, you know, they're fighting over the soul of the most evil person on earth, right? One of the generals. And it's the angels fighting for them. And because they want to win the war, because angels don't know about evil, right? But one of the angels is trying to get this soul so he can be on his side so they can win the war. Because this guy's the heinous individual, right? So at the end, Satan's.
SPEAKER_03:Also, kind of the plot, also kind of the plot of Swan, the comic book, just throwing that out there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, he just shows up and he's like, nah, that can only be one evil, and that's me. Like, yeah. So it's like, no, bro. This is guys go.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm with you. I'm with you with the with with the evil and Satan. Have you seen The Witch? Yeah, Watch The Witch.
SPEAKER_01:No, I have not seen it. Another horror movie that I I that I wanted a little bit more. So so in smile, the original smile, right? You're dealing with a supernatural something evil, right? And then never go to church. Like, it wouldn't that be the first place you go to? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if I'm dealing with evil, man, take it to the man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, go straight to the source. Like, you know what I'm saying? But they never do that. They try to fight it with they call the cops. They they do some other things. Cops ain't gonna help you here, bro. Like, you need the you need a higher power. So, anyway, that was one of my thoughts.
SPEAKER_06:I need to talk to the king.
SPEAKER_00:Or was it Steve? Steve Harvey. Who's judging today? Who judging the day? He's in line at the You've been on your knees regular.
SPEAKER_03:Steve Harvey's at the Pearl Gateway. Damn.
SPEAKER_00:He said, You didn't you see somebody you knew you you knew was gonna make it, but they don't?
SPEAKER_06:Like, damn, who judging today? Oh man.
SPEAKER_01:By the way, new new uh new episode coming out. Top five stand-up comics. Eddie Griffin has been there.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no. Yeah, no. Martin.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Martin. So, yeah, so uh and talking to my daughter, she's like, Remick was a well-crafted villain, is what she took away from it. And I agreed with her. Like I when she was talking to her, I was like, You're right. You know, and and you could you could add whatever you want to that. Like he's a culture vulture, you know.
SPEAKER_03:He's like Yeah. No, he he it it's kind of like a commentary on what I was saying earlier about the music, like you know, appropriation of you know black culture and yeah. That's all of it, like it's all there for you to see. He's like, I came for you, I want you, I heard you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like Yeah, I want your stories. He said, I want your stories. I forget what else he said. So it's it's really heavy and and coded and the thing that is happening the thing that's happened with music, you know, like like I said about Led Zeppelin and you know, well the the thing about it is he's so he's charismatic, right? Remic. And he comes he hits you with, hey, you know, you you weren't gonna make it anyway, you know what I'm saying? Like, or I think Stack says that, but he he kind of makes him feel the same thing, right? Like, I'm here to give you another option. You know, this is this is something good. It's for all of us. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:No, yeah. I was like, damn. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So at the end, I'm like, you know what? It wasn't it wasn't wrong.
unknown:Like, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Like no, because Sach goes, we was never gonna be free. Like, damn, it's just heartbreaking, you know? Like all the everything that they went through, everything they did, everything they thought they were doing, it was all uh it's just perfect storytelling.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, I I I agree. And so when when he comes out, you're like, at first you're like, nah, man, that's evil, I ain't doing it.
SPEAKER_00:But then after a while, you're like, oh no, I'm not so sure now. I mean, it could have just got big, everybody would have been chilling, you'd have lived forever, and then you know, let's say you don't want to live forever, you just walk into the sunlight, bro, and just you know, say your goodbyes.
SPEAKER_03:You know what you're ending it all when the movie's ending right, and everyone starts praying. Like, no, preacher boys starts praying, all of them start reciting the like prayer with them. It was uh it was uh, yeah, sure. We'll pray. It was just such a you know, like arrogant move, and then he starts to like I we never see any kind of like deformity with these vampires, these vampires we can talk about what vampires are in across movies and pop culture, like some vampires turning the bat in in from Dust of Dawn, they seem to go back and forth from these grotesque kind of freaking demons zombie figures. Like when they come out of that in From Dust of Dawn, they come back out of the storage room with all the shit, and you all they open the door and looks like a cover of a Cannibal Corpse album. Like, what the fuck's going on here? Yeah and and they're turning they're turning back and forth from bats to and Salma Hayek even turns from human to vampire like so that movie was kind of fast and loose with what was going on with their you know physical presentation, but at the end of the movie, I did you notice his like hands and claws were just getting deformed or whatever?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I thought we were gonna see like a demon vampire form before the sun came up, it just never happened.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so which gets us to to some of these other movies that have rules for vampires. Like I said, like sinners kind of stayed pretty close to most of what you've learned are rules, right? Like in Fright Knight, they can't enter your house unless they're invited. They're they can't come out in the in the daylight. They don't appear in mirrors, they don't have reflections, they have they have superhuman strength. They can transform into bats or other animals, and they do react to holy symbols, right? That was Fright Knight, which is that's a it's it's a kind of like a comedic type movie, but it's it's good. Like, you know, when when dealing with vampires, the other one Lost Boys also had a shitload of rules, you know, and it's the same thing. You know, sunlight, uh holy water, stakes through the heart, all that stuff. Yeah, they can't enter your home unless you're invited inside. And then right.
SPEAKER_03:I think sinners just presumed that you knew all this stuff. That's why it's it's interesting that you know, like Liana's like, that's a thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know, and then make it makes you want to it makes it's like informing the movie fan, like, go watch some more vampire movies, you know. Nothing like that. That's cool.
SPEAKER_01:Brush up on your vampire game, Playboy.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so and then and then we get to Twilight, right? Twilight was was, I think, was really like, what are y'all doing? Like this shit, nah, none of this should should be allowed, right? If you're a if you're a true vampire Dracula type fan, then when you watch Twilight, you're like, this is crap. You know what I'm saying? The only thing that I thought Twilight kind of introduced that I thought was cool was the the Queelutes, I think, which is that tribe that they turned into wolves. And then depending on how many vampires were in that area, more of them would turn into wolves, which I thought was kind of cool. And their fangs would pierce vampire skin, and very not much else would. Those mofos didn't need an invite. You know what I'm saying? They were they, you know, they were they were really strong. You know, they were way faster than I mean they were super fast. And then something that they introduced.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, the freaking ridiculous baseball game in in the the first one. Yes. Like, there's a lot of hokiness, and you know, I've been watching a lot of horror movies this year, and hokiness is part of it. But I did like that there's vampires all over the world, right? Because you gotta recruit all of them at the end of the movie, at the end of the series, right? Yeah, you got your vampires from everywhere.
SPEAKER_01:Easy from Mayan shows up as so I I thought that was cool that you know they established that because vampires are just like the subculture. Yeah. But yeah, and then they have n very few weaknesses. Sunlight, of course, they sparkle. They don't sunlight ain't shit to them. Holy water, garlic, all that shit. It does nothing. You know? I was like, what the hell is going on?
SPEAKER_03:Twilight's really like the and the anti-vampire rules movie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they broke every rule. You have Bram Stoker's Dracula, the same thing. They can't enter any home without being invited. Sunlight, all that stuff, garlic, holy objects. Vampires don't cast shadows, they don't, you know, have no reflection in the mirror. And I what was I I think I had read why that was the case, but I can't remember the mirror thing. The other thing is like I read it was like they couldn't cross bodies of water, and that's an old, old rule back in, you know, back in the day.
SPEAKER_03:Which which exactly, which how did all those vampires from all over the world in Twilight get to the place where they all had the confrontation? But and the Volturi.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So and these motherfuckers walked in water, they they walked on the ocean floor and shit. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck's going on? Yeah. Underworld, which is one of my favorite series, they have their rules too. Like they something that was cool with them is that the whole vampire cat like the whole vampire class were ruled by three old vampires, and two would like be put in this kind of um like a coma. You know, they would be buried, and then that one vampire would would rule for X amount of years. When this one, when his rule was done, the next one would come up. And then the something cool about that one that is in centers is that if if the if this vampire would bite this person, he would take on all their memories. And so that's how they could tell if you were lying or not. They're like, they would take your blood and he would drink it, and he's like, Okay, no, that shit didn't happen the way you said.
SPEAKER_03:But underworld had similar and then and then in centers, it's someone, you know, try starts to posit, like, let's kill the main guy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that'll but Annie seems to know, like, she's like the gatekeeper. She seems to know all of it, right? She's like, nope, that's not gonna do it. Their souls are trapped, blah blah blah. But then eventually, as we're going along, like they feel his pain, and that's cool. Yeah, that's another rule that the that movie introduced there, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because I believe if in Lost Boys, the if they killed the main guy, then everyone that was a vampire would turn back, I believe. Because remember Corey Haim and Corey Feldman.
SPEAKER_03:Feldman, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So the brother turns into a vampire. Right, the older brother. And and so they killed the main guy, which was their mom's boyfriend. He ended up being the main vampire. And so that's how they got him back, you know. It which is a great, it's a great 80s movie, you know, because it's you know, they're on motorcycles, they're young, they're young vampires, you know, they're like the cool, you know, badass, they wear leather jackets, you know, it's just yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. They're on they're like on the they're on the boardwalk in freaking California or something, or yeah, yeah, they're on a beard.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's kind of it's really cool. They live in a cave and stuff like that. They're just it's just young guys, right? Which is totally different than than than Twilight. Then you get into Anne Rice, where it's according to this little like the like rewatchable says this half-ass internet research that I did. So Anne Rice set the great laws that govern vampire communities. I didn't know that. You know, I did watch interview with a vampire, and I did read Memnoch the Devil, which is where I got the idea.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I I I read I read Interview, I read The Vampire Listat, which is one of my favorite ones, and Memnoch, and I don't know. I stopped reading them after a while.
SPEAKER_01:Like it because of you, you had all the books, and then you know but so she had she created a bunch of rules, right, in her books. Like you you're not supposed to turn a child, and that's what happens in interview with a vampire. It's like you're not supposed to turn a child, the maimed, or the crippled. I was like, damn, that's fucked up. Like Yeah. And then this this and then you in in Vampire Lestat is like where she creates a lot of these rules.
SPEAKER_03:And then the movie, the movie has uh sets a lot of rules too. You can't kill your own kind, right? You can't kill another vampire or try to like because they didn't kill. It's like uh spoilers for in remote vampire. They try to kill Lestat.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_03:You bite, you can bite the victim and they have to drink your blood.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_03:I just like that. That's really cool. That's pretty cool. You're just frozen in your form, whatever it is. That's I think that's universal, right?
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_03:But the beginning of the movie when Christian Slater is interviewing Brad Pitt, they lay it all out. It's like, what about the uh you know, the old stake in the heart, you know, garlic, crucifixes. I'm quite fun of crucifixes, quite fun. It's like coffins and then coffins, and then Brad Pitt stopped like coffins, unfortunately, or necessary. It's just it's just really good. There is a really good vampire movie.
SPEAKER_01:No, absolutely. Like the rules that that they show up on that one, uh, they're they're great. Like, and so because I you know, until we started thinking about this doing this podcast, I was like, I've seen a shitload of vampire movies. Some of my favorite movies are vampire movies, and so that's when we started talking. I was like, man, you know, there's so many rules. And and when Liana said that, I was like, Yeah, that's a rule. And I was like, man, we need to do that. We need to do a podcast on the rules or movies that set rules and this and vampires, because everybody knows most people know the rules that watch vampire movies. So they the one cool thing about or one of the cool things of of interview with a vampire is like certain vampires had certain gifts. Remember when he goes uh is and and uh Right.
SPEAKER_03:Read her thoughts.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Tom Cruise is telling Brad there, read her thoughts. He's like, I can't. He goes, Well, the dark gift is different for all of them. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the one dude that is walking up the wall.
SPEAKER_03:Which which again in Twilight, it seems like they all have fucking X-Men powers.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Yeah, like uh What the hell? What's her face is a shield, you know?
SPEAKER_03:And what's her name can see the future? Yep, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So they have different so they took someone they kept that, which I was kind of cool.
SPEAKER_03:Someone controls the weather the weather and shit. Someone is throwing fireballs, like, what is going on? Uh Twilight X-Men characters.
SPEAKER_01:That's not true.
SPEAKER_06:You don't remember that in Twilight?
SPEAKER_01:They control the weather?
SPEAKER_03:Somebody did.
SPEAKER_06:Am I tripping?
SPEAKER_01:That's storm dogs.
SPEAKER_04:That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01:No, one one had had Emperor Palpatine powers, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Where she shocked him to death and shit.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm just saying Twilight just did a bunch of crazy stuff with Empire Powers.
SPEAKER_00:They were they're very loose in their rules. I was like, come on, lady. Stephanie Mayer, I think her name.
SPEAKER_01:But anyway, so there you go. I think it's Meyer. Meyer. There you go. There's there's the movies that set rules, and we kind of get went through most of the rules for for some of the most, I guess, popular movies. We didn't go into TV shows. There's a bunch of TV shows too that have rules, but that's it. What do we are we gonna borderproof something or are we just gonna leave it at? Watch more vampire movies.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It's October ish, right? I don't know. Halloween, you know, watch a scary movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but scary movies waterproof vampire movies.
SPEAKER_03:Not all of them, some of them are bad. Reverse your Michael D. Jordan's an overactor. Reverse your board approved.
SPEAKER_01:No, it not go through. Two of us said that he's a great actor, and one person said he was an overactor, and that person was wrong. So right now, we'll borderproof vampire movies, and pay close attention to the rules, and did they break any? That's what I'll say. Good with that?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_03:Did the move does the movie make rules and do they stick to them? Does it have internal logic?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Hey.
SPEAKER_01:There you go. Watch Fright Knight, the original Fright Nights. Great movie. You're so cool, Brewster. Yeah. Alright, there you go, guys.
SPEAKER_00:Take it easy.
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