Episode 026 - "Beer is beer."

David, DLH, and Jaime discuss beer drinking.

• First experience with beer.
• Discuss what their Dad's drank/drink.
• Go to Beer.
• Discuss whether DLH is a beer snob.

Issue a verdict.

Transcript

Jaime 0:03

If by some chance, some stroke of luck, or some act of God, you have stumbled upon this broadcast, you are listening to The Chivalry Chronicles with your host, Dr. DLH.

DLH 0:29

I'm a damn doctor!

Jaime 0:31

David.

David 0:32

We're going to bring the tea. I refuse to not drink during the podcast.

Jaime 0:36

Yeah. And me, Jaime. They need to make podcast equipment a lot more expensive to get some of these clowns off the air. Gather around as we discuss a modern manly approach to chivalry. So I hope you're ready because I know we are. So let's get into it.

David 1:02

Yeah. Yeah. There you go. What's really nice about that sound is that's what we're talking about today. We're talking about beer. So those of you that have been following several of our podcast episodes, you may have heard the mention as far as certain types of beer that must be consumed. David,

Jaime 1:22

before we get into it, I wanted to, on behalf of all of us, is give a shout out to that one listener. Julio, who sent us $15 to buy me a beer. Which we're currently enjoying. Thank you very much for that. Julio, appreciate it. I've known Julio for a long time. He called me one day, or actually instant message, whatever, man. He's like, I heard your podcast. Man, it's good. Y'all keep it up. What else are you going to talk about? And so every once in a while, he'll email me, just not email, but text me, especially when he's listening to stuff. And he's like, hey, did y'all take down that link? And I was like, no, bro, it's still there. He's like, cool. One thing about Julio, we used to play flag football, and he was basically rushed to pass her. But this son of a gun had a pick six because he was rushing to pass her, tipped the ball to himself and ran it in for a touchdown. And I've always been so freaking jealous of that. But anyway, thank you, Julio. We appreciate it. We're enjoying the beers now. Keep listening. I'll get your address and we'll send you a shirt just on, you know, for listening and comment on it. And every time you text me, like, keep it up. We appreciate it. Anyway. Yeah,

David 2:50

that goes for everybody. Yeah, so we are talking about beer today, and this is right as I was watching DLH take what he doesn't consider real beer and pouring it into a mug, ensuring that it has the proper amount of it at the top. Right. Almost overflowing that mug, but he managed to get it, but that's not really beer. Now, that's what we want to talk about, DLH, so... Why don't you open the floor? What's your position on beer?

Speaker 02 3:26

That's very open. Yeah, I want this to be

Jaime 3:29

open. So I would say, when is the first time you were introduced to beer? What did you think about it, and how has it progressed since then?

Speaker 02 3:39

Well, I was first introduced when I was legally of age to drink.

Jaime 3:43

How

Speaker 02 3:44

old were you? That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. How old were you? All right, I was... I don't even know, really. 16, 17? I can't remember.

Jaime 3:54

Okay.

Speaker 02 3:55

It was definitely a high school party, I assume. What was the beer? Man, I don't know. But I would say that if I was going to be... The beer that I remember most often consuming back then would have been Budweiser.

Jaime 4:10

The white can... Budweiser, Budweiser, not Budweiser, not

Speaker 02 4:15

Budweiser. Not light. Nope. It would have been with the red writing on it or whatever, like Budweiser.

David 4:20

The one that requires the restroom a couple hours later.

Speaker 02 4:23

Okay.

Jaime 4:26

They all kind of do, but it's the white can, red leather. It is super

Speaker 02 4:30

thick. Yeah. That's what I drank. I think the lighter the beer, the more often you go to the restroom.

David 4:35

Yeah. So my first time really getting into beer mostly because, of course, I think my dad, whenever I was... six years old or something, it was like, Oh, you want to try it? Try it. And then that's terrible. What did your dad, what did he drink? My dad mainly, uh, would drink Michelob light, not ultra, but light. So the silver, the silver top, I still love that beer. I love that beer. So anytime I see it, I get it. Do you love it because your dad drank it or because you love it? No, I really enjoy that. I really do enjoy that beer. Now, uh, fast forward. I, uh, whenever I was, uh, well, I was underage that entire time, but let's say, uh, 16 through age 18, uh, I was drinking more like mixed drinks, um, flavored drinks, that type of stuff. Uh, but eight, I was 18 years old. I had just graduated high school. And over that summer is whenever I had to get the taste for beer. And the reason for that is because in Amarillo, uh, Route 66 runs through Amarillo, and there's the street, 6th Street, which is part of Route 66, was happening. Every Friday night, it was bumper-to-bumper cars. If you weren't driving or cruising through that street, you were on the side just chilling and watching the cars pass. So over that summer, it was like, oh, we have a beer. And it's like, ugh. And I remember it was Bud Light. And just drinking those and probably, I don't know, about the fourth week of doing that, just kind of got a taste for beer and developed from there.

Jaime 6:19

Nice.

David 6:20

How about you, Jaime?

Jaime 6:21

Well, one other question. DLH, what did your dad drink as far as beer? He didn't. He didn't drink beer at all? Whiskey? What did he

Speaker 02 6:29

drink? He did. Well, whiskey. Whenever my dad was, he rarely drank. It was only holidays, Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving. Um, he always did it while, uh, manning the, the radio, he would play oldies on tapes that he had previously recorded. He hung out there a lot. Uh, he would drink wild Turkey and he would, and he would have me, uh, go and serve his drinks. And so that was, that was probably really my first experience with any drink at all was when I would get curious about like, what is it you're drinking? And he would like taste it. And at first I didn't like it. And he would have me over time, uh, show me how to make it and then see how it altered the flavor. Some, whenever he would put a mixer or whatever. Right. And then, and then ultimately his ultimate goal came out where it was like, go make me another drink. And now I knew exactly how to make it. Yeah. But he drank Turkey. I never, I don't recall ever seeing him with a beer.

Jaime 7:28

Really? My dad and all my uncles, they drink Coors beer. Back in the day.

Speaker 02 7:37

But regular.

Jaime 7:37

Regular Coors. And then later on, they started drinking Coors Light. But that's all they drank. And I remember tasting it and feeling the way you feel when you drink Coors Light. It's like, it doesn't taste like anything.

Speaker 02 7:51

It doesn't taste like anything. Do you know why they switched? Why did they go from Coors Light to Coors Light? I think because it got older. I don't know. I just wonder, is it a price thing? Because Coors tastes better than Coors Light.

Jaime 8:04

Yeah.

Speaker 02 8:04

In my

Jaime 8:05

opinion. So, so when I was growing up, they, so my, my dad, old school, right. They would sit out on the porch, you know, Friday night, they'd be out there all night, him and my uncles. And I used to, as a kid, go out there and just listen to their stories. Right. Cause as a kid, you're like, you know, this is my uncle, my dad, my cousins, they're all older and, And they're just out there drinking. And so I would do what you did. It's like, good as a beer. And then so I just go to the cooler, get it, give it to them. And I just sit there and I mean, I'm like 10, 11, 12. My brothers, which are four and five years older, they started drinking, right? And they drank Budweiser and that's all they drank. Like that was it. The white can, it is thick. I mean, it is. And so when I started drinking Budweiser, which I was like super young. I was like, I was like 14. It was Budweiser. And I remember the first time that I got drunk because we played football, right? We go to some park and play football and then we just hang out at the park and they were all drinking. So then you start drinking, right? And then my brother, my oldest brother, you know, the prototypical alpha male I always talk about, His thing was Budweiser. And so anything else was crap to him. He's had very specific set of rules the way he followed. And so all of us drank Budweiser, right? And it wasn't until I got to college that I tried anything else. And then anything else just tastes not as thick, not as, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then when you get to college, yeah, this has got a little flavor to it. It tastes like an orange and shit.

Speaker 02 10:01

Well, it was good back then, but Budweiser was a good– I think for me it was a really good–

David 10:06

Starter beer?

Speaker 02 10:07

It was starter beer. It's exactly what I was thinking. I don't want to insult anybody who might still drink that and like that as like, well, what? This is the best. But for me, the way that I progressed through, Budweiser was a really good starter beer because I felt like it was more full-flavored.

Jaime 10:22

So he– He was all Budweiser, and so we all drank Budweiser. My older brother was the one that ventured out. And, of course, my oldest brother would make fun of him. Well, why are you drinking that crap? And so my older brother would go Heineken. He would do Red Stripe. He would do Bud Eyes. I mean, he'd always bring something different, and you're like, do they even sell this shit here? Like, I've never seen this can before.

DLH 10:50

Yeah, it's in

Jaime 10:50

that refrigerator section you never go to. Never go to. And in Dallas, what's weird about Dallas is that at the time, it was dry where we lived. And so we had to drive 20, 30 minutes. And it's actually by the State Fair, you know, Second Avenue. We had to drive all the way over there to buy beer. Beer wasn't... in a convenience store. It wasn't at the gas station. So when I got to College Station in college, right, when I went to college, and I go to the gas station, and there's just like beer everywhere. You're like, oh my God. You could just walk down to the freaking gas station to get a beer? That's awesome. What is this great place you have here? Because what sucked is that when we were watching football... playoffs and shit like that, you know you're running out of beer, right? And then you're like, we'd always coach one of our friends like, hey man, look, if you leave now, you can make it back. You'll see the second half. No big deal, dog. You just need to leave now. And they never made it back. But you'd always kind of... Barter who's going. Yeah. But it was Budweiser. Budweiser for the longest. And my brother still drinks Budweiser. That's the only thing he drinks. Every time I go home and I hang out with him... He buys tons of beer. I come back with an ice chest full of Budweiser, and I will have it every once in a while. But it's, yeah, it's kind of, I don't think, I always think it's interesting figuring out what your dad drank and then what you drank. Because my dad was like, he thought Budweiser was like crazy.

David 12:31

Do you think your brothers pivoted to Budweiser on purpose because of that? Because of what

Jaime 12:39

he drank? I have never asked him, and I think I'll probably do that, because right now, so my nephew turned 21 last year, and so he drinks Budweiser. Because he went out drinking with my brother, and that's what his dad drinks. And so... uh, I was talking to my little brother and he's like, man, we need to tell, you know, our nephew that there's other stuff out there. If you, you know, there are other stuff with flavors, stuff like that. But to me, it's like, I mean, I, I know what he drinks. So if I'm there, I'll, I'll drink butter riser with him. Like, I'm not gonna be, you know, sort of like, am I drinking that? Um, But I also bring whatever I drink, right? But if he offers me one, I'm like, whatever, you know, when in Rome.

Speaker 02 13:24

They should change their marketing, right? The gateway beer. So

David 13:27

fast forward to present day, like what are your top three common beers that you drink?

Speaker 02 13:36

Man, top three common. I think that the beer I drink, it depends. is factored by a couple of things like the weather is one. Really? Why the weather? I'm the same way. Because there's sometimes when it's like really hot and you want something that's a bit more maybe refreshing. I enjoy sour beers, but they got to be really good, right? Like the sour beers. So I have some... You're

Jaime 14:01

speaking gibberish.

Speaker 02 14:03

Some reliables that I will go to for that. And then there may be some other ones in there, some other types of ales, but they got to have a... Um, good flavor and a good, a good spin on it. But for the most part, if, uh, if it's cold porters and stouts, uh, same here, you know, like triples, those are, those are my go-to. Those are the ones I'm mostly drinking.

David 14:30

Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm kind of very similar in that situation. Overall, everything that I drink, uh, that has alcohol in it is more based on the season, uh, Or what it looks like outside. Yeah. So, whiskeys and so forth, as it starts warming up, I'll probably ease up on drinking whiskey. I'll still have it, but I'll ease up on it. Wines. Red wine. I like red wine, but I like it during fall through early spring. We were talking about this.

Jaime 15:01

I only drink red wine when I eat steak. And that's it. I've never... Letty used to... My wife used to drink wine all the time and then it just stopped. But I've never been... So here's why. Because when I moved down here to San Antonio, we used to go to dinner with my in-laws. And they were big wine drinkers. And I never drank wine. Like I've never... Didn't drink wine before. Don't know anything about it. And they were like, oh, try this one. And... For some reason, wine gets me freaking drunk. Like, bad. I don't know what it is, but, you know. The sugar, isn't it? Because we were drinking one night, and they were ordering bottles. They knew the owner, right? So the restaurant guy, the owner comes out. Oh, you know, Mr. Garza, how's it going? And then he motions the waiter, like, oh, bring him that one wine. And so they're just bringing wine after wine. And so I'm just drinking wine. Cause all I ever drank was beer and whiskey.

Speaker 02 16:12

With 2% ABV.

Jaime 16:14

Yeah. Like what the fuck? Like, you know what I'm saying? And so I'm like, just toss them back. You know, then I'm like, I get up and I was like, man, this is, this is a little different. So, you know, it's, it's just like, to me, it's, it's red wine. And then it was white wine. I don't know what I'm drinking. I think it was some kind of Gewurztraminer, I think. Gewurztraminer. Yeah. I was like, I don't know what that is. So just whatever.

Speaker 02 16:46

German white wine. Really good. Yeah. But

Jaime 16:48

then it has a little, yeah, it's sweet. But, you know, when I eat steak, I'll drink wine, Merlot. And that's because probably the person that I... eight steak ones, said, hey, you should try them along with it. And once you introduce me with something, I'm like, that's

David 17:06

it. That's all I'm going to

Jaime 17:08

do. I'm not jacking

David 17:08

with that. And that's the way I am with drinks in general. It's almost like, what's the situation? What's the season? What's the occasion? And not that I put a lot of thought thought into it, but there's like staples like, oh, I'm going to the river. It's hot. Because you're a thought. I need a... So anyways, if I'm going to the river, it's hot outside. I'm probably going with either a Lone Star light or a Tecate light, something that I can drink all day. Not get drunk? Yeah, and not get tore up. On Wednesdays, happy hours, the go-to for me is probably a Miller light. I was generally more on the Budweiser, Bud Light side than anything, but What happened? Miller Lite, whenever I was 18, 19, all that, I hated it. But it was probably, I was probably in my 30s whenever I finally was like, okay, I can drink Miller Lite too. I prefer it. Because now, whenever I drink a Bud Light, to me, it has a sweeter taste. I almost get like a grape soda taste out of it. Really? Yeah. That's crazy.

Jaime 18:28

So have you ever been faced with like a mutual friend of mine, Rob, used to always be like,

Speaker 01 18:35

you drink that. He really talks like that. Does he talk like that? Yeah, he's like, you drink that water

Jaime 18:43

stuff. And I said, bro, you drink Miller Lite. It's the same freaking thing. There's nothing different. He's like, that's that old water

Speaker 01 18:52

stuff.

Jaime 18:52

I was like, okay, whatever, dog. All of the light beers are. They all taste the same. And so if you give me a Miller Lite, I know the difference. But I'm not getting anything better with that one than with this one. So... To me, it's like making fun of someone that's drinking Bud Light, but you're drinking Middle Light. That's the pot calling the kettle black. I was like, look at the alcohol content. It's the same.

David 19:21

How

Jaime 19:22

do you choose? What are your go-to beers? I used to drink a shitload of Bud Light because that's what we started drinking in college. People started drinking that. When I go home... My brother drinks Budweiser, so that's what I used to drink. So when I went out to college, you just kind of go with the flow type stuff. And then people started buying Bud Light, so I was like, I don't... I think it was

David 19:45

really popular

Jaime 19:46

for a good period of time. Yeah, and I was like, whatever. I don't care. And if people brought Bud Light, I was like, or Middle Light or whatever. In College Station, they had Shiner. So I tried Shiner back one day, and I was like... Which is even better. Yeah, I was like... I'm cool. And I order Shiner when we go to Willie's, that one restaurant, just because it's always on tap. As I walk in, I see it. I was like, Shiner.

David 20:09

One of the things we used to do in college is there was one bro who wouldn't pitch in for the keg. Oh, my God. That's terrible. And so whenever we got kegs, it's like, hey. get a shiner. Cause we know he hates that beer and man, he'd be all upset over there. Everybody was like, yeah, that's how we, that's a deterrent right there. Yeah.

Jaime 20:32

So, so like recently, well, as recently as like maybe four years ago, five years ago, Carlos came to my house cause we were having, you know, a cookout or whatever is doing fajitas and chicken or whatever. And he brings modelo, right? And it's that little stubby beer with the gold. And I was like, all right, cool, you know? And so I had one. He's like, I tried it. I was like, cool. I'd never tried it before. I was like, that's pretty good. I like that. And so then I started buying Modelo, right? Because I was like, me, if you introduce it to me, like I'm not going to go venture out and do something weird. I'm never going to go to the specs or whatever. Like, oh, let's see what this tastes like. I'm not doing that. Somebody has to be like, That's pretty good to me. Like, okay, I need somebody's, you know, like thumbs up. I'm not venturing out something. I don't know. Um, so, so recently I'll try. So whenever you

David 21:32

brought, uh, a Michelada one day, yeah, it was that the pipe, the one that had the Pina and stuff like that. It was like a mango. It had mango. Yeah. It was like

Jaime 21:41

a Texas star. I don't know what it was. Yeah. And Estrella. That's right. Estrella. And you're like, Oh, try it. I was like, pretty freaking good. And so I searched the ends of the earth for that shit and I could never find it. So I was like, I'm going to try this Modelo one. And so that's why I started buying those Modelos, the Michelada Modelos. But you can only have like one or two. And then you got to switch over to regular beer. And then, you know, yeah. Which, by the way, my little brother, so my older brother, my oldest brother gets a beer and And then he puts salt in all kinds of shit, right? And it's like, why not just get the lime one? Because he's like, why are you drinking that? It's like, as much salt as you put in your shit, it's the same thing. So I think it's, like I said, to me, if somebody tells me about it and I try it and it's good, then I'm more apt to order it. Like, what is it? Blue Moon.

DLH 22:47

Mm-hmm.

Jaime 22:48

Somebody was ordering it. I was like, oh, what's that? He's like, oh, what's this? And it came with an orange. I was like, that's kind of cool. So I tried it. I was like, okay, that's cool. I may try that. But if you leave me to my own devices, I just go back to whatever it is that I was doing before. Like right now, it's Modelo. And that's what I'm stuck with. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I'll venture off and do other stuff. But to me, I don't– like whiskey, I like Maker's Mark. I tried it. I don't know. 15 years ago, loved it. Cool, that's all I get. Tried Buffalo Trace once. I was like, cool, that's cool. But I go back. It's a rubber band, right? I was going to say it. It's like you stretch it. Let me

David 23:31

go back to it. Knowing you, you're very much the creature of habit, right? And this got kind of to pivot why I wanted to discuss this is there's been some heated discussions between you and DLH. I don't know about heated. Yeah, it was pretty heated, like gloves off kind of thing.

Jaime 23:53

Oh, so what you mean is DLH, I said to DLH, beer is beer. And the reason I, well, you tell me what you.

David 24:05

Bullshit. Just to describe the room right before that, that bullshit came into play. DLH moved his mic closer to himself. Oh, hell. He was ready. Because I'm about to get real serious. That's why I said it's heated. It's been

Jaime 24:21

heated. I'm going to tell you why I said that. Because we were having a discussion about beer and stuff like that. And what DLH said was, well, you know, I drink this type of beer. And so if somebody doesn't have that, then I'll just be like, no, I just won't have one. Essentially

David 24:40

a beer snob.

Jaime 24:41

Yeah. And I was like, I kind of... That shit kind of pissed me off. You're a beer snob, right? Not because I am, because I'm not. I'll go with the flow. So I'm thinking, so if I have this beer and I offer them, so let's just say it's not DLH. It's just some random person that comes to my house and I have some random ass beer. And I'll say, hey, you want a beer? And I hand it to them. They're like, no, I don't want to drink that. I'll be like, get the fuck out of my house.

Speaker 02 25:08

But I wouldn't do that.

Jaime 25:09

But you just said you're like, no, I just won't have one.

Speaker 02 25:11

Yes. If we're in this and if we're in a social context where drinking a beer is an optional thing, a party. Right. And I get to choose. Am I drinking? Am I not drinking? And if all there is in selection is going to be these selection of light beers, then I'll just drink. water or punch or whatever else you're serving. I'd rather not. You refuse a beer? I would just not pick one up. See, to me, that's crazy. But if I'm a dinner guest at your house and you offer me a beer, I'm going to accept

David 25:39

it. You're sitting at the kiddie table. Even if

Speaker 02 25:42

I don't like the beer, I open it up, which has happened. I went to a fraternity brother, and at his house at dinner, he gave me a Boddington's I think it's a London-based beer, English or whatever. Terrible. He loved this beer, so he was proud about serving it. He's like, I think you're going to like it. Did not. One single bit. But I didn't tell him that in the moment. It was just more like, okay, next time you're in my pad, you can try a beer that I have. It just went back and forth.

Jaime 26:17

The way I heard it is, you were a beer snob, and I was like... Yeah. This conversation. So that's why I said that. I was like, man, beer is beer.

Speaker 02 26:26

So you said it just to try and get a rise out of me. Yeah. Essentially. Most

Jaime 26:29

likely.

Speaker 02 26:30

And that's

Jaime 26:31

why, because to me, like, okay, you go to somebody's house and they're offering you what they have. I think if they're offering you what they have, then you just accept what they have, enjoy it and move on. Respectable. Yeah. Like if somebody is going to offer me, um, like that's the difference with me, right? Like, I don't have a, like, I'm only going to drink this beer. No, it's like if you offer me a Miller Lite, which David, I mean, his go-to is Miller Lite. And so if I know David's coming over, I'll buy Miller Lite. I don't give a shit, right? But if it's just me, I'll buy Modelo. If somebody offers me a Bud Light, I'm like, cool, whatever. Okay,

Speaker 02 27:12

but now you're talking about etiquette versus preferences, right? I'm never like you. I mean, I would like to think that anyone who knows me and has ever had me over their house, I'm not rude. I am certainly not going to insult.

Jaime 27:24

You sounded pretty rude that

Speaker 02 27:25

day. No. You sounded pretty. I'm not going to insult. I'm going to go with it and be respectful because. You're there and you're serving me. I'm going to accept that.

Jaime 27:37

But the scenario was, if you get offered a beer, you're like,

Speaker 02 27:40

well, I just won't drink it. We were in a social context where there is more of a party atmosphere. And if I get to select whatever I want, I would just choose not to drink those beers. It's just not, for me, it's not something that I enjoy doing. So a

Jaime 27:56

beer snob, right?

Speaker 02 27:57

You can call it that if you want, sure. And I will gladly own that. What would you call it? I would gladly own that. What would you call it? I would just say that at this point, I'm selective in what I choose to drink.

Jaime 28:06

That's the beer snob.

Speaker 02 28:07

Okay, fine. Then so be it. But when I, like I told you in coming up when I first experienced beer, right, and I was drinking Budweiser, I liked it in the beginning. When I got into college, everyone there, like you mentioned, what beer did you say y'all were drinking? When you would go get kegs over there or at College Station?

Jaime 28:28

Shiner.

Speaker 02 28:29

Okay, so anything like that is a big upgrade because I was always drinking Milwaukee's Best.

Jaime 28:35

That was high school.

Speaker 02 28:36

The cheapest shit

Jaime 28:38

that

Speaker 02 28:38

you could

David 28:39

get anywhere. And it was not good. Where my snob kicked in is on those beers. The Bud Ice, the Natural Light. Bud Ice has a shitload of freaking alcohol.

Speaker 02 28:49

Yeah, but without the flavor or whatever.

David 28:53

I just... Would never do them.

Speaker 02 28:56

I couldn't do it. We would drink that, Milwaukee's Best. I was like, this is gross. Well, it was

Jaime 29:00

quality over quantity. That was the question. Quality or quantity. We always chose quality. Okay, not DLH's quality. We would choose Budweiser.

Speaker 02 29:09

But quality at the time. At

Jaime 29:11

the time,

Speaker 02 29:11

yeah. Now, if somebody

Jaime 29:12

brought Milwaukee's Best, you're like, well.

Speaker 02 29:14

Or I can't even say we. Whoever was making the decision, right? But Milwaukee's Best was something that we drank. It was like... I just, you know, like it was it was bad. I was already just kind of new to beer in general. Yeah. And that's a way to get me back off of it. Right. Like this is bad.

Jaime 29:31

And

Speaker 02 29:32

I also at the time was so inexperienced that I couldn't tell you if I was drinking skunky beer. Now I can. But back then I couldn't. And maybe that contributed to the bad. flavor or whatever so anyway when you when you fast forward and i start drinking beer on my like on my own as as a legal adult drinking it modello was good shiner was good like all of these beers right but as if you keep on flashing forward to the next stage i would then start with uh like blue moon and then started going into belgian beers and then when i got into like that belgian I really liked the flavor that was in there. A lot of those beers have a higher ABV, so I was getting a much richer, in my view, much richer flavor with a higher ABV, which meant you didn't need to drink as many beers.

Jaime 30:21

That's the whole fun

Speaker 02 30:22

part of it. I'm just never been a fan of drinking 25 beers and having to go to the restroom 35 times. um i'm okay just taking a beer that's got really good flavor higher abv because of it and uh it will take me twice as long to drink that

Jaime 30:41

you ever been out to legacy weekend

Speaker 02 30:42

yes

Jaime 30:43

we drink about 20

Speaker 02 30:44

but then but then ultimately what winds up happening right i either have some of my own beers which i i will drink i drink some of the other ones on occasion but then i start i move over to whiskey So that I can slow down the drinking and enjoy the flavor of what I'm drinking. That's why you got

David 31:01

me in trouble with that whiskey, though.

Speaker 02 31:04

Because I stopped drinking beer and I did straight up whiskey. And then it slows you down and you enjoy the flavor and all of that stuff. That's pretty much all it gets to.

David 31:12

Well, see, the thing with me, and I always have to watch this, is I have to be drinking something. Now, it doesn't have to be alcohol, right? But like all damn day, I'm drinking. drinking water i'm drinking tea i'm drinking coffee and a lot of it like yes i'm running the restroom quite a bit

Jaime 31:32

yeah

David 31:32

but it's just more to i guess i don't know if it's a habit or i i have to quench my thirst Regularly. Is it thirst or is it an oral fixation? I didn't know you were thinking that

Speaker 02 31:47

in your head. Well, most people that constantly have to have something in their mouth have an oral fixation. Yeah, but that would be you, though. We're going to go Freudianism.

Jaime 31:57

Well, I think you need to stay hydrated, folks.

Speaker 02 32:01

Definitely stay hydrated.

Jaime 32:02

Yeah, which in turn makes you...

Speaker 02 32:04

Yeah, it's inevitable. But I think ultimately what I'm saying is that when I started opening up to different types of beers and then I started finding some that have higher flavor, not just because they had higher ABV, but because they have more flavor. to it in my point of view, right? And then from the Belgian, I started going a little darker. What are these beers? What do they taste like? What the hell does this mean when you're getting a porter or a stout or a triple or a quadruple? What do these things mean? Why is the ABV higher? What is the taste profile? And then what happens when you get another microbrewery who changes the taste profile by adding something else? So I found enjoyment in the journey of... You know, this whole experience. And then I came away with that with the beers that I enjoy the most. And if I'm going to bother drinking it, like if I'm selecting, I'm going to select the things I know I like to drink.

Jaime 33:05

Well, yeah. But, yes. I mean, there was never the question whether you're selected. Yeah, if I'm selected, I'm going to get what I want. The question was, like, if you get offered one and you said, no, I'd just rather not drink. To me, that... That

Speaker 02 33:21

last part is what really is hurtful. Maybe we just misunderstood each other in the context.

Jaime 33:28

No, you misunderstood the question.

Speaker 02 33:30

Perhaps, but that's the same thing I just said. We just had a miscommunication in the context. No, I think there needs to be Chingasos. That's the thing. I say we had a miscommunication, and he's like, no, you misunderstood. No, I understood perfectly. Well, of course, but I understood my side perfectly. You didn't. So we had a miscommunication. You see how that works? Because communication is reciprocal.

Jaime 33:53

No, absolutely not. Because the question was this. Your answer, you changed it. You know what I'm saying? No, I did not change the answer. You didn't give the specific context. No, I said, no, I remember the conversation. I said, so if you get offered a beer and it's one of these, you're like, well, I'd rather not drink. We were in a social setting. You didn't specify. No, no, no. I did because that's why I was like, beer is beer. Because I knew that would piss them off. Here's why. Here's why. It's the level of petty right here. No, it's not petty. Here's why, right? If I go to somebody's house. And I get offered whatever it is. I just think you take it, enjoy it, and move the fuck

Speaker 02 34:36

on. Have a Coke and a smile. Yeah, have a Coke and a

David 34:39

smile. Where I think that DLH messed up was adding essentially, well, I'd rather not drink than what you're offering. It's that piece of it. I think ultimately if you said, oh, I'm good, and left it at that, It eliminates the reason is because

Speaker 02 34:58

your beer sucks. I think maybe the offering part. I'm not going to go anywhere and insult anyone. Not going to do that. You

Jaime 35:05

just

Speaker 02 35:05

insulted me right now. But you deserve it, though. But again, if I go to some party social function, something like that, and what's out there is going to be your Coors Light, Miller Light, Bud Light, or whatever... I just don't see myself being like, oh man, I just really want to drink. So let me have one of those when I know I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy

Jaime 35:28

that. I mean, I don't think any one of us here is an alcoholic.

Speaker 02 35:32

That's what, that's more where I was thinking. It's like, if I have an option of selecting that, I would just rather not drink in that moment. I'm just not going to drink beer and I would drink water, Kool-Aid, whatever else

Jaime 35:43

is there. Beer snob.

Speaker 02 35:45

But, and I'll take that. I'll accept that because I know that, that as I have evolved in, in my palette for beer for whiskey for wine for coffee like those i'm gonna choose the things i like to drink and the things that i know i don't like i'm just not i'm gonna avoid those Unless I'm at a dinner party and somebody offers it to me.

David 36:07

But that's a

Jaime 36:07

different conversation, right?

David 36:08

Yeah, absolutely. I was going to say, we should probably do a podcast. And I think we break it down by event. We are doing a podcast. Like right now.

Jaime 36:17

It's happening.

David 36:18

We're on live. Specifically. Look up. We're currently. Specifically as it relates to. Drinks by occasion or drinks by situation. And kind of go through that list. Because I'm curious, but that'll go into a whole different

Jaime 36:34

angle. For example, I don't like champagne. I think it's terrible. But if I'm at a wedding and they're passing around champagne, I will drink it and toast the groom. What about sparkling

Speaker 02 36:45

wine?

Jaime 36:47

I don't like that either. You know what I'm saying? Mimosas. People are like, oh, let's go get mimosas. And I'm like, cool, let's go. And I'll drink the shit, but... If it's me, do you like champagne? I think it's terrible.

Speaker 02 37:01

No, champagne is good, but you have to... See, this is why you explore. They're not all the same. Champagne, sparkling wine, Prosecco.

Jaime 37:09

Every single champagne I've ever had

Speaker 02 37:12

I've

Jaime 37:12

never

Speaker 02 37:12

liked it. If you get legitimate champagne and you get one that's dry, it's a very different feel than if you get a sparkling wine that is semi-sweet or maybe it's full sweet that comes from a different region. It's going to change the flavor. And

David 37:31

DLH, to kind of pivot back to the subject on beer, so specifically because what you're saying equates… To beer, too. To beer, to whiskey, to all the things. I'm similar in the mindset that you are in terms of I enjoy the journey, the new experiences, and testing the waters. So if I'm at a place, all beers cost the same, and I'm going to choose one, I'm probably going to try something that I haven't tried yet just to have that experience. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think,

Jaime 38:09

I don't think, I don't think you're saying that. Yeah. So like, for example, um, I used to work over there off of Desvalo night 10 and my coworker is young kid actually plays golf with us every year. He's like, Hey man, we're going to go over here. Let's, let's go, let's go have a beer. I was like, cool. Where are you going? Uh, it's big hops. I was like, all right. Never been there. Let's go. And so he's like, I'm gonna order beer. I was like, cool. He's like, uh, let's go up to the bar. I was like, great. And then I look at the freaking menu and it's like gibberish up there. They're like, oh yeah, they change the menu every week. Like you never get the same thing anytime. I was like, so what the hell do I order then? Cause I mean, I don't know. And he's like, uh, what do you normally drink? I said, this is like, okay, well, uh, stick with the American ales. And I was like, well, which one? There's like 10 up there. You know what I'm saying? Like, and so I, I, I picked one, and I said, okay. So I drank that one, and then I drank another one. Then I drank another one. Didn't feel good. All different ones? No. I stuck with that one.

Speaker 02 39:16

So you just stayed with the same? Why didn't you try? Because I don't know

Jaime 39:18

what the other ones are. Yeah,

Speaker 02 39:20

but that's how you find out.

Jaime 39:21

So I like this

Speaker 02 39:23

one. But what if you like the next one more? What if I don't like it? Then you know, and you mark it off the list. Well, yeah, but I spent $8. Well,

David 39:33

then also a lot of times they'll give you that sample where you can kind of. Yeah.

Jaime 39:37

So I did, I did ended up trying like two or three, but even after that, I got up and I was like, cause I didn't know that they have more alcohol. Right. And I was like, Oh shit, this is, this is a little stronger than normal. Yep. But I'm not like, I'm not opposed to drawing like, but I need somebody's, Yeah, just like movies or just like a book. Or if I like an author, then I'm going to read some of his other stuff. If I like this director, then I'm going to watch the other stuff because I consider this guy to be a good director. Just like certain beers, right? And actually, I've never gone back to that place. We used to go all the time when I worked there, but since I no longer work there... And it's, I don't know, I don't even know where there's another Big Hops. So, you know, to me it's like, I mean, I don't mind going out on the outskirts and shit, but you leave it to me, I'm coming back here and drinking this because I know this is good and I like it. So, yeah.

Speaker 02 40:48

So then what's the takeaway? What's the board approved here?

Jaime 40:53

The board approved? Yeah. Beer is beer.

Speaker 02 40:56

I object to that. I definitely object to that.

Jaime 41:04

Here's the board approved. If you get offered a beer by someone, just drink the beer.

Speaker 02 41:07

Yes. I think that that's true. But that could be also a board approved if we do an episode on etiquette. Absolutely. We need to do one on etiquette. Yeah, but this one's specifically on beer. Yeah. Beer's beer. Beer is not. Damn it. So tell me what your board of proof is. Explore, find what you like, and drink that. And drink the shit out of it. And drink that. I'm not going to say drink the shit out of it, but drink that. But that's what I did, and you're like, well, drink the other one. No, no, no, but that's not it. You were more like judging me for liking something different. And then I'm like, why? No, no. But in

Jaime 41:51

my story, I said, I picked this one. I like this. So I drank that one. You're like, why don't you try the other one? I was like, because I like this one.

Speaker 02 41:58

I didn't have a problem with that. You had a problem with with my story. I just

Jaime 42:03

know in the story. I just said, you're like, why don't you try the other one? I was like, I like this one. You're like, well, maybe you like the other one, the other

Speaker 02 42:10

more. So your board approved is like... Yeah, but you had to try a new one in order to know that you like it

Jaime 42:16

more. I did try it. Okay. And I liked it. All right.

Speaker 02 42:18

So I ordered another one. And you can absolutely do that in the moment.

Jaime 42:23

So I explored... And

Speaker 02 42:25

you liked it, and I drank the shit out of it. And you stuck with it, yes. Okay, good. And then the next time you go somewhere, you see an American ale, and it's like, that one's a little different than last time. Let me try it or taste it or whatever. No, if they don't have that one, I'm out. Then I'm going. Do you have a Bud Light? Yeah, no. Venture out.

Jaime 42:46

Explore. By the way, Yingling sucks, too. I tried Yingling, and it was terrible. It

Speaker 02 42:52

was

Jaime 42:52

bad.

Speaker 02 42:53

Well,

Jaime 42:53

maybe some people out there like it. Rob does. Yeah, there's some people. He's like, get that yingling. And

David 42:59

I was like, man.

Jaime 43:01

And I did. I did because

David 43:02

he said. Well, he likes PBR, too, if I remember. Oh, yeah, he does.

Jaime 43:05

And honestly, I was laid off from my job, right? And PBR is cheap as hell. So I started buying PBR. Because, you know. If you're broke, just say so. But don't drink Milwaukee's best. The

Speaker 02 43:22

Beast, boy. Just stick with water. No.

Jaime 43:26

Water don't get you drunk.

Speaker 02 43:28

You got to drink a lot of it, then you die. Go with something else. Plan more dinner parties and drink their beer. Drink NyQuil. That's about enough NyQuil content. That's a bad message, sir. Explore, find the beer that you like.

David 43:49

Refine. I think refine occasionally. Or no, explore occasionally. Explore

Speaker 02 43:55

occasionally. I would say explore. Occasionally. Even if you explore, then you might find that Budweiser is your beer of choice. Maybe that's just what you like to do. I

David 44:06

think find some go-tos that are yours, but occasionally explore and refine your taste.

Jaime 44:14

Absolutely. If I go to Big Hops again, I'm going to be like, what's an American Ale? Because that's... Basically the only thing I've ever tried beyond what I know. Like some of the other, because we went to the Ghost Note or whatever I was telling you about. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they had just a shitload of stuff. So I just tried a flight. It was like six

Speaker 02 44:32

years. Now, why don't you try an Irish ale and an English ale?

Jaime 44:37

Because I've never been in a situation where I could order it.

Speaker 02 44:41

Next podcast. Road map. We're going to go to a brewery on location.

Jaime 44:45

That Ghost Note was actually pretty good. Like I tried that flight. And three of them sucked, but that one was okay.

Speaker 02 44:53

Well, and sometimes that's all you really need, right? Some blind taste test, too.

Jaime 44:58

You know, we should go on remote. We should take our mics and go try, have a beer tasting session

Speaker 02 45:07

live. Because I think we can certainly agree that not all beers... Beer is beer. Beer is not beer. Not all beer is equal.

David 45:16

Yeah, so listeners, we're curious. Where do you stand on this? Do you explore and venture out? Are you more into it's beer is a beer. Just give me any beer. It's good.

Speaker 02 45:29

And that link is open, right? So if you want us to try a certain beer, feel free to contribute to that and specify, and we'll try that. We offer

David 45:40

free delivery and pickup.

Speaker 02 45:43

We will try that beer on a future episode.

Jaime 45:48

Yeah, so Julio, if you have any suggestions, I'll go buy it and bring it for the guys, and then we will do a taste test while we do a podcast. Yeah, blinded. I don't know about blind.

Speaker 02 45:59

As a segment, yeah, I don't know about blind. We'll drink blind. We're going to drink ourselves

DLH 46:05

blind.

Jaime 46:05

We'll close our eyes right before we drink. Yeah. All right. There you go. Board approved. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others. Post about it on your social media and or leave a rating and review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram and X. So thanks again, and we'll see you next time.