Episode 017 - "Are Daily Showers Purely Performative?"

David, Dr. DLH, and Jaime discuss the article in the New York Post titled "Daily showers are purely 'performative' and have no real health benefit, experts insist."

The discussion continues to daily hygiene habits.

They provide a list of celebrities that do not shower daily (allegedly).

Issue a Verdict.

Transcript

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If by some chance, some stroke of luck, or some act of God, you have stumbled upon this broadcast, you are listening to The Chivalry Chronicles with your host, Dr. DLH.

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I'm a damn doctor!

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David, we're gonna bring the tea. I refuse. To not drink during the podcast. Yeah. And me, Jaime. They need to make podcast equipment a lot more expensive to get some of these clowns off the air. Gather around as we discuss a modern, manly approach to chivalry. So I hope you're ready, because I know we are. So let's get into it. I'm always trying to get into it. Oh, man. Okay, that kind of sounded pretty good. So, you know, I wish I could do like a real serious intro, but with these guys, man, if you know David and DLH, Dr. DLH, because I'm a damn doctor, the fitness professional, the self-proclaimed behaviorist, the self-proclaimed human thesaurus. What is the rest of your bragging montage? Supposedly he's humble, too. Oh, shit. I don't know what either one of you is talking about right now. The self-proclaimed whisperer. He look like a dog. He could be a dog whisperer. Anyway. It's not me. It's my degrees and my credentials. DLH Milan. Mark that. Mark. Mark. Okay. So today the topic is going to be based on an article from the New York Post that came out April of last year. And the title is, and then I'll let your mind go deep into it. Dirty space? Yeah, that dirty space. Daily showers are purely performative and have no real health benefit, experts insist. insist so anyway so this this article goes on to say that taking showers uh has no real health benefit uh that it's mostly a societal thing people do it because that's what they do um the the article says uh experts say that the daily shower has no proven health benefit Dismissing the dowsing of a socially accepted practice geared towards staving off accusations of funkiness. A-listers like Jake Gyllenhaal and Mila Kunis. And then we'll talk about, well, we'll have a list of other celebrities who don't bathe daily, but... We want the funk. Give us the funk. Now we need the funk. So then this author, I'll call him Donald Chad McCarthy. He has a real peculiar spelling. Isn't he a coach for the Cowboys? McCarthy? Yeah, he's Coach McCarthy. He's still waiting to know whether he's going to be the coach next year. Pending a shower. Pending a shower, yeah. It says this author says he only hoses off once per month to help the environment. And he goes on to say that it's a lifestyle choice inspired by spending two weeks in the Amazon with the indigenous people Yano Mami people. So this guy spent two weeks in the Amazon and because they don't take... Wait, now, now. Amazon or he was shopping on Amazon? No, he was in the Amazon. Oh, okay. And then, yeah, so I guess around that group of people, they don't shower but once a month. So he decided, I'm going to do that for the rest of my life. And I think... Dr. DLH, what was your comment on that when we were kind of going through the article? That that would be socially acceptable if you remain in the context of the social group in which that is acceptable, right? So even when you go all the way back to Western days, let's take it away from that culture and into another. When there's a lack of access to watered in that degree, right? You, there were a lot less showers or bathing that took place in between, but because that's, you had limited access to things. Everyone knew that everyone was subject to that. And so whatever smells came from wherever, everyone knew that that was just what you had to deal with. Yeah. And, and, and back then I read that you basically, you basically had one bathtub and then, so it was like, The oldest would take a shower, and then they would reuse the same water. Same water, yeah. Because you didn't have a lot of access to water. So anyway, this guy goes on. He said he opts to instead, for a wash at the sink, using a cloth to give his body a good scrub. So basically, he doesn't take a shower. Yeah, we don't want no scrubs. There's a Manhattan dermatologist, Dr. Julie Rusak. previously told a post that prolonging daily showers could strip away the skin's microbiome, which plays a role in protecting the skin, and it's also extremely important in the overall health of the body. I just want to ask this person. Okay, we'll get him on the phone. Hold on. I want to ask, so if we're bathing and we're stripping ourselves of all that All the good bacteria. Are we living longer than the ones that we're not? No, we are living longer. I mean, if you want to reduce it down, yeah, I think the lifespan now, well, for men, it's less than women. But yeah, people are living 75 years now. As opposed to back in the day where people were dying in their 50s and stuff? Yeah, well, but I don't know if that's it. I don't think it's corollary. Well, even if it is, correlation is not causation, right? But I don't know that anybody has taken the time to do a correlational study for like showering time expectancy because we have bigger issues and more things that are taking lives now. At a higher degree, I imagine, than that. But I think the curious point is like right now, most of science and medical professionals would tell us if you want to avoid being sick and getting all these other things, wash your hands, right? Yeah. And if you got to wash your hands so often to avoid that, why wouldn't you shower if your body is subject to all of the same things? if the pandemic taught us anything, is that if you just wash your hands, you won't get sick as much. I mean, everything carries bacteria and stuff like that. I mean, doorknobs, tables, the restrooms are like the dirtiest places, your freaking phone, like everything. If you just wash your hands and just be good about that, it gets rid of most of sickness, right? I mean- This other guy said that he hadn't showered in 12 years. Instead, sprays himself with good bacteria that he claims neutralizes. So this is what I don't get right. He claims neutralizes the body's smell making. How about we ask the dude next to you whether it freaking neutralizes it? Like, I'm sorry, if you're not bathing it weeks at a time for 12 years, you stink. And somebody has to tell you, like, these people probably don't work. Well, I think that's the premise of this article, though, is that because technically, if we're talking about bacteria on the body for health purposes, right, you can neutralize bacteria but not get rid of the odor associated with it.

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the accumulation of it, right? So there is a way to do that. And I think that's the argument of the article is that there is a way that you can... Neutralize? Yeah, that you can neutralize some of the bad bacteria, but that you may not necessarily smell any better. So that's why it becomes performative. Spray yourself with some Aquanet. So it says also in 2021, researchers at Harvard Health found that 66% of Americans shower every day. while a 2005 report claims that it is common for Brits to shower once or twice per day. Now, I want to ask you guys, David, on the average, in a week, Monday through Friday, how many times do you shower? Seven. Seven times? Yeah, typically before bed. But, no, Monday to Friday. Yeah, every night. So that's five. No, there's seven days in a week. No, no, but I said on... Monday through Friday. Okay, I didn't hear that part of Monday through Friday. You can make it Monday through Sunday. I hope everybody's still showering on the weekend. No, but I wanted to look at during the week just for my own personal purposes. Because you don't shower on the weekend? Yeah, no, on the weekend. So you, DLH, you're a fitness professional. And speaking of that... In a week from Monday through Sunday, how many times? That's seven days again. That's outside of the scope of practice for a fitness professional, by the way. But I think it plays a role in it. Health, I guess. Sure. Okay. Either way. I shower at least once a day. Okay. And just like Dave, like nighttime, right before you go to bed, shower off all the stuff, right? So at least that. But if I... Workout at a separate point. There's a shower after the workout. Absolutely. And that's what I wanted to get to. Like for me, I shower in the morning. And my son and I work out three days a week. So we work out after work. And so I shower at night. So on the average, those three days, well, actually every day during the week, I shower twice. And then there's the times where, because I shower every morning. I get up, shower twice. That's just how I operate, right? So let's say I go to the gym at noon. I get up on Tuesday. I get up, take a shower, go to work, go to the gym, run, take a shower at the gym. Yeah, I would do that. Come home, and if Joaquin wanted to work out that night, I would shower again. So there's no days I'd take three showers. There is no way of getting out of that. There's no way I'm going back to work after– you know, three mile run or whatever, there's no way I'm going back to work. Yeah. Yeah. Just subjecting. And I don't, I don't know about you guys, but I know when I laid down and I was unable to take a shower, there's just like this, this coating of, I don't know, bacteria or something. Even if I didn't do anything that night, it's, it's almost like a humid, uh, Especially if you sweat it. It's sticky. It's like, yeah. It doesn't feel comfortable. Okay, when we go to Legacy Weekend and we're camping, we arrive there, say, 2 or 3 o'clock. Do you take a shower before you go to sleep? I do. I still do. Do you take a shower in the morning? No, not in the morning. Okay. Not in the morning. I've done both because when you're putting the tent up and getting all unloading and all that and you sweat because we go camping in June, which is the hottest... Some of the hottest time and it's freaking 100 degrees and you're just basically sitting in your own sweat the whole day. Now we jump in the lake and then we swim around and that stuff. But even that lake water... Now, Jaime, you can't be counting dipping in the lake as one of your showers. No, that's what I was going to get to is like jumping in the lake doesn't do it. No. You have to wash that off too. Yeah, you got to wash that off too. Okay. So this article is... It's interesting. If you want to read it, it came out in back in, it's in New York. 1918. No, it's 2024. There was another article that I ran into, which I thought was funny because when I saw that article and I saw it around the same time that it came out and I clipped it just because it's an interesting topic. And then I started looking for like opposing views. And then I ran into another one that was the year before, right? It was like July of 23. And it said, the black people I know take a shower every day. Is it necessary? And he went on to say like, hey, man, showers are necessary. It was pretty funny because... You know, you have all these scholars and, you know, a chemist and all these people. Like, no, it's not necessary. But then you have just regular people like, bro, it's necessary. So let's look at celebrities. I found a list of celebrities who don't shower daily. And some of these might be, you know, like what? And others, yeah, you've heard of. Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis. They've said it over and over. they have their podcast and they only bathe their four and six-year-old children when they see dirt on them. That's what they have said. Now, my kids shower every day. They would get a shower about, I think we put them down for the night at about 8.30 or something. They would get a shower right before that. Shower, get lathered up, and we use all the You know, all the aromas for getting them to get sleepy and stuff. Lavender and stuff like that. Bourbon. And then they go to bed. They go to bed. But they would shower. We would give them a shower every day. I don't know. I think this is inhumane to only give your kids a shower when they see dirt on them. So that's one. The other one is Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell, which kind of surprised me. They say the same thing. Kristen Bell is like, I'm not a big fan of waiting for the stink. Once you catch a whiff, the biology is waiting, letting you know you need to clean up. Like, why don't you just do it every day? Like, that's preventative, you know, preventative maintenance. You know, you don't go to the dentist whenever you have a cavity. You go regularly, you know, just make sure everything's good, right? So I see it as preventative more so than you're, like, reactive. Jake Gyllenhaal. Coco Austin, which I thought was... I thought that was... You know who Coco Austin is? Ice-T's wife? No? Oh, I know. Yeah, I know. I thought that was crazy. Brad Pitt. Yeah, I could see Brad Pitt. Charlize Theron. I didn't know that. She's a great actress. And then the other one, Matthew McConaughey, which we all pretty... I mean, you would not be surprised if somebody said that. One of the stories that I read was that... Who is it? She's an actress that was with him in a movie that part of the contract was that he had to wear deodorant because she said, I could smell him a mile away. And so she's like, I'm not working with this fool unless he wears deodorant and this dude doesn't shower. Because he doesn't smell all right, all right, all right. Yeah. And who would that be? Who was the actress? It was Kurt Russell's daughter, stepdaughter. Kate Hudson? Kate Hudson, yes. I couldn't remember her name. Yeah, she's like, yeah, we can't do that. And, I mean, you look at Matthew McConaughey, and he just looks like he doesn't. I mean, have you ever heard him on an interview? He doesn't care about anything. He cares about some things. About himself. I don't know. Maybe we hear him differently. I don't think that he's, like, self-absorbed. Yeah, I wouldn't put him in that bucket. Yeah, he is. Board approved. Maybe you're looking at something else. I've seen him in several interviews. Maybe he picks his causes. I'm pretty sure his Latina wife puts him in check. Apparently not. They had to be written in a contract where he had to wear some deodorant. No, that's because she's jealous. She was like, hey. So I know when he accepted an award, he said he has no... I don't have any role models. My role model is me 10 years from now. I was like, what? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, that's just artsy talk. If your role model is you 10 years from now, come on now. That's a little self-absorbed, isn't it? No, that is aspirational talk. He's in self-talk trying to aspire to something larger. He doesn't want to. Himself? Well, yes, himself in 10 years being successful and hopefully the person he wants to become. In his mind. In his mind, sure. So he's... I think we all have some version of that. Somebody that we want to become, right? Yeah, but you don't want to become yourself in 10 years. That's just kind of weird. I think that there's an element. Maybe you're just missing, or maybe he's not saying it right. There's an element to that argument that is more existential than anything. And he's trying to say, I don't want to lock myself in by aspiring to be someone else. I want to be me. The better version of me. But I want to be a better version of me. So I look forward 10 years. If you listen to it, It doesn't come off. I understood exactly what he said, but when I heard it, I was like, whatever, dude. It doesn't sound like you understood what he said. No, I understood what he said, but he's just, to me, he's one of those actors that has a limited role. I think his best performance, anyway, let's move on from McConaughey. You started it. Yeah, I did. His best role is probably a detective at HBO. True Detective. Yeah, he was really great in that one. That Muddy Water or whatever it's called, Muddy Waters. But anyway, he stank. Oh. Oh, shit. That was a good movie. Yeah. That was a damn good movie. Yeah, that was. So, all right. So anyway, those are celebrities. I think it was just called Mud. Yeah, yeah, there you go. He sucks. No, he's okay. No, he's better than All Right, All Right, All Right. Yeah. He's terrible. I think he's entertaining. He's... He serves a role, right? It's like he's kind of the same way as Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds almost plays the same character in just about every movie. I mean, he's Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, but you get paid. I get paid to do the same damn job every day. No, if you're an actor, you should be able to... You go and you do engineer stuff. As a fitness professional. No, but I think if you get... See, Ryan Reynolds gets a lot of roles because he's funny as Ryan Reynolds. So if he keeps getting hired as... Ryan Reynolds, then why are you messing with it? That's why I said he has a limited role. He has a limited range, I guess. I guess. But there are plenty of really successful actors that are that, that get hired to be themselves. And then some don't push to change that. Some do. Some actors, actresses, want to make the point, hey, I can do other roles besides be Hilarious. But that's neither here nor there. At the end of the day, he doesn't take a shower. Yeah, McConaughey doesn't. Ryan Reynolds, I don't know. I don't know about Ryan Reynolds. I'm pretty sure he does. But those are celebrities. Allegedly. Allegedly. Who don't shower daily. So anyway, we were talking about this. I think I mentioned it in another podcast. I was talking to a friend of mine and we were talking about colognes because Joaquin has gotten into colognes and he has... I want to say over$1,200 worth of colognes in his freaking room. To hide the fact that he doesn't shower. That's a good bacteria. I don't know. I don't know if that's the case, but he's gotten on this. Real quick. Yes. I think I asked this before the podcast, but just want to put you guys on the spot. So homeboy in the article says, Sprays himself with good bacteria. What the hell is that? I have no idea. What the hell? No idea. Was he the guy that went to the Amazon? Because I don't know if I should type in Amazon, hey, good bacteria spray. Does it exist? There is a citrus scent 24-hour disinfectant. Disinfectant or good bacteria? There's a probiotic body spray for men that cleans your skin. It's an all-natural probiotic spray that helps with rashes, bug bites, yeast, odors. How much does it cost? It is seven bucks. Skin Smart Men's Intimate Spray. Okay, so somebody's trying to find a way to shower without showering. okay so you know it's an issue right that's that's like whenever they you know those commercials like oh your trash bag stinks spray this on it like no just take the trash out and put it like you're covering up yeah but it's a new bag well then you shouldn't have thrown food in it that's what stinks so so uh on that back you know back to kind of round it out the lh do you okay so the the thing was joaquin is into colognes and i was talking to a friend of mine and he's like yeah i don't use colognes and then the other guy that was there was three of us and he's like yeah i don't either you still use cologne i was like yeah yes like what like when did we not stop using cologne do you use cologne i don't but i don't use cologne because the scent of the cologne um counteracts or interferes with the the scent of my with your bacteria i use all i use like beard oils and beard balms and they're all scented but so you want to use scented there's no one yeah i don't i don't well because the ones the the companies that i found that use unscented they're just not the ones i prefer like and you don't want to clash and Yes, because I used to use colognes a lot when I didn't have a beard as much as I do now, when it was really short in college. I used cologne all the time. But now that I always have a beard and it's always like after showering, it's a whole regimen. I got to oil it to a certain degree. I have to put balm in it. There's all this stuff. And so I pick the scents that I like based on the season. Like colognes. So it already gives off a scent of cologne. And if I put more cologne, to me, that's one of the worst things is when you walk into a space and you don't even know who yet, but their smell has already preceded them. And you're like, damn, who put on that much cologne? There's always a wrong way to do something now. Right. So I will use it. I do have some beard balms and stuff that if I want to have a certain... Because I have a ton of colognes. They're just sitting there waiting for me to use them. Use

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And if I want to use one, then I'll make sure that I use the beard balm that is more subtle. And I'm careful about how much of it I use so that I can then use the cologne. Right. So I guess if we're talking about a scented product, yes, daily. Okay. Okay. David? I do use colognes, but at the end of the day, I'd rather smell like nothing. Fresh, yeah. Yeah, you don't want to douse the shit. If I had the choice of smelling like nothing versus something, I'm going to choose the nothing because then it's neutral. Nobody's offended by it. Nobody's whatever. I find it funny. So when we wash our clothes, usually— usually people are looking for like the downy fresh smell and so forth. So that scent is on those clothes, right? Yeah. And then you're going to spray it with cologne. That's going to clash with that cologne or perfume or whatever you're putting on. Depending on how long it lasts. Yeah. And you start mixing all these different things like the beard oil has its own scent and so forth. We're surrounded with would sense, right? Like the, um, the plugins, you know, like fresh linens, like that's the one we have at work. Part of it was, was because when I started working at the company that I work at now, when I walked in, it, it had like a role, like stagnant, you know, like stale and I was like, man. And then basically I work with a bunch of dudes too. And, and dudes aren't really, that's why it smelled that way. Yes. The guys aren't, Man. Should have put some mothballs in there. I smell your cologne, but I also smell your feet. So I don't think guys are as quick to be very cognizant of scents. Yeah. And see, that's why at the end of the day, if I could just ensure that I didn't smell like anything, then there's nothing there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, this is a good time to tell you, you smell like something. No, I smell good. Oh, there's something there. You smell like something. Yeah, but I do wear a cologne. I paid a lot for that cologne. How much? Like about$350. Damn, damn. What is it, Tom Ford? No, Creed Aventus. I got Creed Aventus and Green Irish Tweed. Damn. Definitely the two that I wear. But does it have a culture in there to kill off the bacteria? For$3.50, it should have one. Well, it doesn't have any of that. And Joaquin has Tom Ford. I don't know which one. Yeah, Tom Ford's a pretty prominent. And so when we went to go get it, and I've stated this before, when I was a kid, I started making my own money. I worked with my dad, and I was making money. Not a lot of money, but you know. And my dad was like, you're not buying that jacket. You're not going to buy that. I don't have a$300 jacket. You're not going to have a$300. And I was like, I'm buying it, bro. I've been busting my ass with this money. So my rule with Joaquin, I was like, I am not going to tell you to not buy it. I'm not going to do that. I go, but man, that's a lot of money. But he did it. And he was fine with it. He's cool. And it smells really good. And Tom Ford, for some reason, they gave us little samples and stuff. And, man, you spray once, and it lasts all day. Like, it is. Now, the one thing, and I'd have to pull up because I don't know all the different terms, but a lot of times you'll buy, if you're spending typically the$60 to$80 type colognes, you want to look at it, and if it doesn't say actual price, Parfum. Yeah, if it says the toilet or whatever. Eau de toilette. Yeah, that toilet stuff is only going to last about two, three hours. That's basically a spritz. The eau de parfum is more concentrated. Can you break that down? No, I don't need to. As a banking and finance professional, that's not my lane. No, that's not your lane. But as a fitness professional, maybe you can. Well, you should be a cologne professional if you spend$350 on cologne. I just like the scent. And I know it's going to last. And I enjoy it. So I looked it up just because it's interesting. There's different concentrations based on what it's called. There's a perfume that 20 to 30 concentration. There's Eau de Parfum, which is 20% concentration. Eau de Toilette, which is 15% concentration. Eau de Cologne, which is 4% concentration. So once again, the eau de parfum is the, well, parfum is the highest concentration. 20 to 30. Yeah. So yes. Now I use cologne. I mean, I've always used cologne. Like I think since I was a kid. But which one? Right now, here in the past, month michael jordan i got a i got a funny story like when we were growing up um you know when you get about 13 years old you you start you know cologne comes into yeah you start carrying them you start carrying a little bit more my brother my oldest brother had cool water No, that was my other brother. Those were all the potheads back in high school. My older brother had English leather, and I was like, I love that smell. And then my dad had Dracar Noir. So in the morning, I'd be like, and then he'd be like, man, who the hell's been using my stuff? And then so my other brother was like, we'd go to Trader's Village in Grand Prairie, right? And you can buy the crappy stuff, which is probably the... The, the, oh, the whatever, the 2%, oh, the cologne. That's the cologne. Yeah. Which is basically alcohol, right? You spray it and you smell it and then it's gone. And it was called, it was supposed to be cool water. Right. But it was the same, same bottle, same color, but it was called a blue mist. And then what was the, the other big time popular one growing up? Stetson. No, the, the J, it was like a green, greenish brown. It was a J that was meant to look like an exclamation point or something. Yeah. Juniper. Oh, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever it was. So if we know now that, that the cologne is less than the toilet and the toilet is less than the perfume, then if you don't shower, you should be using the perfume. Yes. Yes. Um, So anyway. Yeah, because you can use less. So essentially, at the end of the day, with regular parfum, if you're putting it on your wrist, behind your ear, inside of the elbow, you put it in those spots, it's all day. You're good. You're good for at least eight hours. So two of us use cologne and you not so much. Well, even when I do that, I do have like– Because I'm doing a rating on who is funky. I'm just kidding. Go ahead. There's this... What is it called? Have y'all heard of... There's a cologne that comes in a solid form. What? You can get a tin and it comes in a solid form. I know I was targeted there for a little bit. I have one of those that is like... It's also like a bourbon, whatever. It's in that... that scent profile. So that is one that I use most often because most of the time the beard. So it's like chapstick. The beard oils that I prefer. And the beard balms that I prefer. They're always in that realm. They're like in cedar, leather, bourbon. You live in a lot of realms. Yeah. Yeah, I do. Okay. Here's my other question. that I was watching this video because that article had a video. And so in the comments, so anyway, I came across this video and it had these two ladies talking about, they asked each other, it was like, do you use a washcloth or a loofah? And these two ladies, they're like, no, what? No, I don't do that. Why would you do that? Blah, blah. And I'm like, You don't use a washcloth or a loofah? Like, what the hell? So my question to you, do you use a washcloth or a loofah when you shower? Or do you just use your hand? DLH? Oh, you're asking me? Yeah, as a fitness professional. My goodness. You see what I got to deal with in this space? Neither? Have you seen the ones that are like a silicone scrub? It's almost like a brush. Oh, you stick it in there and it has bristles on one side and a cloth on the other? Yeah, bristles on one side. It's not really a cloth though. It's all silicone. Yeah, it's all like silicone and you just... you can hold it on a single hand. But it's something other than just your hand. Just, yeah, right, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, these two people were like, I don't know, dumbfounded, flabbergasted that people would use washcloths. They're like, so what do you do with it afterwards? It's like, if you use a washcloth, I mean, when you go to hotels, they literally give you a washcloth, you know, and you just use it and you leave it there and you rinse it out maybe or you, you know, Take the water out and just leave it there. For that time. For that time. But when you're done using it, it goes in the sanitary wash. Yes. Because essentially you should be removing dead skin from your body. And bacteria. I do not use a washcloth. Or a loofah or anything. Or a loofah because I do get grossed out by them. Back to your... Like to me... They are almost single use, so unless you're throwing it in the washer and disinfecting it or anything like that, I will use my hand or I will use something like silicone-based where I know it's not going to harbor the bacteria. I'm with you. That's why I use what I use is because I don't like the idea of a washcloth or– Yeah, it harbors that stuff. And if you leave it there hanging, yeah, you can use it the next day and it may not even smell gross, but you know it's gross. Yeah, but all those dead skin cells go into the middle of that product. And then also, too, the other thing is depending on your wash cycle... You may not be sanitizing that damn thing. But if you have a sanitizing wash, that should take care of it because of how hot that water is. Yeah, you have to get it hot. But a lot of people don't necessarily. People just think you throw it, put normal on your washing machine. That does not mean it's sanitizing anything. I wouldn't go normal. You've got to put other stuff. But do you want to sanitize your washing machine? your regular t-shirts and stuff yeah not all the time but i do i do think that that if you're if you're gonna like debate on that stuff the loofah is in my mind the worst of them because you don't put that in a sanitation wash and you that just stays in there and then dries and then yeah but it's one of those that you just always get a new one and then you do but how but after how long and you still got you still have Dead skin that goes, you know, it might just be us, but that's the way I view it. Your dead skin's going in the middle and just accumulating there. There's a radio show, I talk about it all the time, right? One of the hosts said that he got grossed out with deodorant because he says he only uses deodorant halfway to He goes, because at what point are you rubbing yourself under deodorant? Yeah, definitely at the end it starts to feel that way when it accumulates. Hopefully you're putting it on after you shower. But he was saying at some point it becomes less, you know what I'm saying? So he had a big deal about washcloths, all that stuff, deodorant. Basically, this dude was a germaphobe. He didn't trust certain things. Yeah. And that to me was the funniest is like, I only use deodorant halfway and then I toss it out. Yeah. I start falling in that category of, I can, I can get grossed out. pretty easily and yeah tell us about tell us about how you don't like um people that lick their fingers why is that so damn gross that is there's there's nothing worse than sitting next to somebody that's over there grabbing from the from the community bowl so then you hear them stop There's another isolated soundbite right there. So damn gross. So this was my question when you first told me that because I think it's so funny. I go, so if you're out on a date and the chick is trying to be real sexy, like licking her fingers, you're like, ew, that's

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nasty. Yeah, that

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is, that is, that's just, that's not attractive in any capacity. And it's like, uh-uh. Okay.

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Okay.

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yeah i mean your your fingers are probably in many ways finger licking good they're the dirtiest part of you because it's what touches your phone and and the toilet seat and the doorknobs and the like so along the same questions what do you think is the cleanest part of your body the part that is probably uh less out in the open i'm gonna say right in the middle of your back what's yours yeah i would i would agree with that or the schist no it is the back yeah i i don't know why i know well it's at least it makes the least amount of contact i uh whenever discussing it i looked up what's the cleanest part of your body you know and you believed it didn't you yeah it makes sense it's it's constantly covered yeah it's less you know susceptible to whatever's around you I also, there's a comedian that said, he said, you know what's the dirtiest part of your body? Which everybody's like, yeah. You know what's the dirtiest part of your body is, right? Your hand. Your fingers. No, it's your ass, right? He goes, here's why. He goes, take a shower, clean that area really well. Walk down one flight of stairs, check back there, and tell me if you don't smell something. That's how you know. Yeah, but you have to check that with your fingers. I mean, that's what David does. He doesn't use a washcloth. And to think, some people are doing that, and they're still licking their fingers. But that's why he doesn't lick his fingers. Now I get it. It's all right. Now that makes sense. It's just gross. Yeah. So, man, I think that we did it at Guadalupe Peak last time. And I just started bombarding him with a bunch of questions. I was like, okay, what if you cut your finger and it's bleeding? Would you not lick that? Because your saliva has natural properties that help it clot. Okay. Well, then spit on your finger. And he's like, no. And I said, okay, what about it? So I had this whole long list of questions. And I was messing with him the whole time. I thought it was funny. I would just glue it. And the reason they came up is because it was Sunday morning. We were having breakfast. Yeah, at this Mexican restaurant. And he was sitting across. I forgot who it was. I know who it was. Okay, so that person. Say it out loud. Sonny. No, no. Oh, it wasn't Sonny? No, Sonny does it all the time. Sonny was next to you. Yeah. No, it was somebody across from you, and they'd spill something on their jacket. Oh, that is right, yeah. But then Sonny was doing it. And I said, hey, you have something on your jacket. No, no, please don't tell me they put that part of the shirt in their mouth. No, they said... Yeah, so they basically wiped it off with their finger and then stuck their finger in their mouth. They took their index finger and wiped it. And then meanwhile... We got community chips, and you have a bro like Sonny over there.

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Oh, it's so effing

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gross. So, listeners, if you're out and you see David, start licking your fingers. Go up, shake his hand. He loves that. Now, is all of that the behavior of finger licking or is any of it the mouth noises? I'm finding that in my, I'm going to call it old age, I hate mouth noises. If you're somebody who eats with your mouth open, get the... Out of here. Yeah, a lot of those things start sticking in my head. We can't have this discussion. All those things start sticking in my head. He's like, can you keep it quiet? I have family members, same thing, and it just bothers the heck out of me. Yeah, it does for me. Okay, let's say... Let's say they're licking their fingers, but no noise. Like they're very quiet about it. No, then it's still gross. Still gross. It's still gross, but the mouth noises make it gross and aggravating. So just to kind of describe, whenever I was younger, we'd go to a Chinese buffet, right? Yes. Okay. And... I don't know at what point it was. I want to say maybe I was in high school. Maybe I was an eighth grader or something like that. But there was a turning point where it was like, this is nasty. And I can go into a buffet and I can eat a buffet. Buffets are pretty nasty. My mind tells me automatically it's gross, so I have to prep myself before I walk in. I can be normal, but I have to, in my mind, prep myself before I walk in because there was a turning point, and I can't remember when it was, but the turning point was seeing this kid sticking his tongue out underneath the chocolate water fountain at a Chinese buffet. There was a chocolate water fountain. A chocolate water fountain at the dessert table. And this kid literally stuck his tongue out underneath that fountain of chocolate and poured some in. And it's like gross. Then seeing all these people in the buffet lines with the serving spoons and licking their fingers. If they dropped something a little bit, if they dropped a little bit of sauce on their finger, they're... And then they grab the spoon, and then they're doing that. They're leaning over. People that smell... the food like oh David that looks really good and then they lean over into your food and they sniff it oh it's so gross people do that and it's almost like do you think you're a germaphobe like a borderline yeah a borderline no no borderline I think you're all the way no I'm not you cross the border and you're all the way into it I think I'm kind of in his camp though maybe both of y'all are germaphobes but also because like I hate when especially if you know that when you see somebody leave the restroom you're in the restroom with them and then they leave without washing their hands right and then especially if you wind up giving this person a handshake or like whatever it is and then I'm going to go and lick my fingers there was a theater in Amarillo that I refused to eat popcorn even years after the incident happened but basically went into the restroom worker comes out of the using number two and go straight into that damn line. Now, he may have washed his hands while he was out there under the concession stand. That's still not the appropriate place. They did have a sink out there, but I did not see homeboy wash his hands, and he was over there gladly serving popcorn. So two years after that, if I win, I still was not eating popcorn because of that. Have you seen the movie Along Came Polly? Yes. There's a scene in that movie where Ben Stiller is in the restroom and he's at the urinal and his boss is at the urinal, right? And his boss finishes up and he goes behind Ben Stiller and he's like, man, we'll see you out there. He's touching him, rubs his ear and he's like... Another scene in that movie, they go to like a Mediterranean... food where you eat with your hands. And he is like... That was Indian. That was when he was hurting. Yeah. Because they're just like, oh, just... He's on a date with Jennifer Aniston. And she's like, okay, just dig in and eat. And he's like... The same thing at a bar. I think people are eating the peanuts at a bar. Yeah, all of that stuff. And like I said, I can participate in that, but I do have to mentally... prep for it really like if i if i know so then you have to be i mean you don't i mean yeah but it's not i think that's what separates it from germaphobe right because if you if you give me if you put a bowl of pretzels or peanuts on the bar or whatever and i don't know because i haven't seen anything different especially it's best if i see you put it down you just got it i know but like and fine but if i see anyone lick the salt off their fingers and dig back in i'm out That's the category I fall in. The reason I'm saying this is I don't think anybody thinks that buffets are the most clean place. It's pretty bad. I've gone to buffets and it's like, well, screw it. It's a buffet. Let's go. I don't have to get mentally prepared to walk in. I just know it's a buffet, so there's some shit you got to go through. I don't sit there and go, man, I have to. I think that That's a little bit more than just an inconvenience. There is. Now, with that said, when I say I'm getting mentally prepared for it, it's just pretty much the time before I enter. It's just more like thinking through. It's going to be gross. But I think most people don't do that. Yeah, most people may not. And I think my germophobia kicked in because growing up, my dad used to say, anytime we got sick... If I fell off my bike and I'm bleeding from my leg, My dad would say, oh, it's because you didn't wash your fucking hands. He would always do that kind of stuff. So anytime we were sick or anytime something happened, he would say that line. Oh, it's because you didn't fucking wash your hands. And it's like, dad, I fell off the bike. What are you talking about? But all of that kicked in. And then with my son, what's funny with him is I don't use that same line, but whenever he was sick, young, he'd want to go to the restroom and he wants to use number two at a public restroom. And I'm like, son, it's gross. Come on now. Come on. It's gross. And then I would always emphasize washing his hands. And then I remember when he was in pre-K, they called me one day. They're like, Mr. Rodriguez, we're calling because Isaiah, he's had his runny nose, right? But he'll, as soon as As soon as he wipes his nose with the Kleenex, he feels like he has to wash his hands fully. And because his nose is runny, he's washing his hands a lot, so they're bleeding. And it's like, son, you don't have to wash your hands that much. But I know I instilled that and I try to back away from it. Just enough to not get hand, foot, and mouth disease. Right. So the two guys that I normally talk about, which is the cologne thing, right? One thing they used to mess with me about is because I told them, like, I do have an issue using the restroom in public places, right? Especially if it's more than just going to take a leak. I go, man, I really have a problem with sitting down somewhere with somebody else sitting down that I don't know. And especially because men are the dirtiest, filthiest animals on the face of this earth. Women are pretty bad, too. I know, but like... Can be. Yeah, they can be. People are gross in general. I know whenever I went to... When my daughter was young, a couple of times, it was... her and I would go up to Dallas by ourselves and my wife wouldn't go with us. And so when we have to go use the restroom, she's like six or seven, we stop at a gasoline station and I would go up to the lady and be like, look, my daughter's gonna go use the restroom. I am going to stand at the door. No one else is going to go in and I'm going to put your, that, that sign that it's wet or it's being in use. I'm going to put that in front door. Are you cool with that? And they're like, yeah, that's fine. You know, because one, it's your daughter. And you know what I'm saying? That was always a big issue for me is like taking your daughter to the restroom when they're like eight, nine, seven. I always wonder. I mean, that was always like a big thinking through. If I had a daughter, like, There's so many hurdles that I feel you guys go through, and maybe it's not that big of a deal, but for me, it's like, I don't know how I can handle it with a daughter. I would grab that tall sign when they're mopping and they're in service. I would take that sign and put it in front of the girl's bathroom. I would have got a sledgehammer and just... I would stand by the door and be like, my daughter's in there. Can you please wait? And then one year... We're coming back. And there was a line. I mean, I don't know. It was probably a holiday. And so I felt, I was like, Liana, I said, go get in that line. I'll get in this line and I'll wait for you. And there was a mom there with her two daughters. She's like, do you want me to take her? And I was like, if you could, please, that would be awesome. You know? Yeah. Because she's seven and she needs to use the restroom and it's a line and you can't do that. You can't just be like, nobody else is going in. Yeah. And the guys are pissing all over the seat and all that other stuff. And I'm not taking you into men's. I'm sorry. You're like it. I had to do it sometimes, but I was just like, cover your eyes, let's run to them. But yeah, they used to mess with me about that, but I get that going. So bringing it back full circle, this has turned into more of a hygiene discussion. Yeah. Which it should have been. Instead of just a shower. I think this is a very crystal clear motion. What is the motion now? Stay clean, man. Yeah. Wash your ass regularly. So board approved. Yeah. Cologne optional. Shower daily. Shower's not. Shower daily. Yeah. Shower. Yeah. Minimum once a day. Yeah. Minimum once a day. I'll concur. Yeah. Minimum once a day. All right. There you go. And I need you to hit that gavel real. Yeah. Like you mean. Real cleanly. Like you mean. Cleanly. Do it. Wash your ass. Oh, that was weak. Wash your ass. Board approved. Board approved. Shower daily. There you go. All right. All right. Thank you, guys. I feel dirty. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others. Post about it on your social media and or leave a rating and review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram and X. So thanks again, and we'll see you next time.