Episode 009 - Can you still enjoy the music while not supporting the artist?

David, Dr. DLH, and Jaime discuss artists that have betrayed their fans by committing a crime or doing something inappropriate.

• Where do you draw the line?
• Were you a big fan prior to the artist's behavior?
• Are there any exceptions?
• Issue a verdict.

Transcript

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If by some chance, some stroke of luck, or some act of God, you have stumbled upon this broadcast, you are listening to The Chivalry Chronicles with your host, DLH, David, and me, Jaime. I hope you're ready, because I know we are. So let's get into it. Welcome.

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Yeah, welcome to that. There you go.

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Welcome. And we're back again with another episode from the Chivalry Chronicles. So, good afternoon, gentlemen. Good to see you again. Ladies, too, if you're listening. What? Yeah. Well, I was speaking to you. He was talking to us. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Oh, my God. You're fired. Yeah. Leave right now. So the topic today is can you still enjoy the music even though you don't support the artist and or his or her actions? So there's been a lot of talk here recently on social media, on the news, on everything regarding a certain hip-hop artist. Artist? Yeah, he was an artist, producer, mogul. Producer, yeah. Well, he was an artist, too. I mean, he put out an album. Put several. We're talking about Sean Combs, Puff Daddy, P.D., whatever you want to call him. So we were kicking around the idea. I was like, well, I was on the right side of history because I never really liked him, and I thought all his stuff was trash. And I actually went even further to say that if anybody can take the Notorious B.I.G. album and remove him, remove... Puff Daddy from that album, I will pay double whatever that album is because he ruins that album. And it's a really good album. And I don't need the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's still a fantastic album. It is. But if you remove him, it's even better. Yeah. So anyway, so the topic is, can you still enjoy the music? So we thought about different examples and we were kicking around the idea of, So we thought we'd put it on the podcast. So we all love music, right? We listen to different genres. So we have actually, strangely enough, the ones that we're going to talk about are really only one genre, but it was kind of R&B and hip hop. But there are other artists that kind of done some heinous stuff that you probably still enjoy their music. Or that's the question. David, do you still enjoy the music? even though you don't support the artist and his or her actions. I mean, in the most quickest, and this would be a fast episode if it was just that, but at the end of the day, I do separate the person versus what they produced. So I feel I can enjoy a song, a movie or whatever, and separate the person. But I also may have already had something against that particular artist so whatever they put out i've just carried that over and that's the question like if he didn't like him before it's not a big deal correct i don't support him don't support what he did don't support the music but if you really really enjoy their music that's when it gets that's when it gets dicey yeah that's when it gets sticky so like right right off the gate like somebody that uh had a little small controversy morgan wallen Yes. I'm not necessarily a big fan of the guy. What was the controversy? That he was using the N-word and stuff like that years ago. Well, I looked it up because I was like, okay, how did he use it in one context, right? So what I read is that he was out drinking and it was him and his buddies. And it was at the end of the night and he's taking his friend out. To his house. And then so I think the girlfriend or wife opens the door and it gets picked up on the ring. And he says, take care of my N. He's effed up, something like that.

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And he's talking about his friend, which I assume is white. You know, so then he that was it. And I was like, OK, you know, like it's you're not supposed to use it. We all agree on that. But he wasn't using it in a negative... Exactly. So I was able to go, okay. I mean, Morgan Wallen, not bad. He's got some catchy tunes. I listen to it every once in a while. I kind of listened to it before. My wife is like, no more Morgan Wallen. I was like, okay. And actually, that's how we started talking about this. Because my wife is a big Michael Jackson fan. So I was like... I was like, so we're good with Michael Jackson now? And she's like, that's different. Yeah, of course it is. And that does lead to this subject today. Because like with a Michael Jackson, like with an R. Kelly, like with a P. Diddy, there's this artist that you already gravitated to. You've already established yourself as a fan. You enjoy. And then all of a sudden, you're just going to take the vacuum and take that all away and yeah put it up yeah it's it's really hard to do that which is why i think at the end of the day for me i am going to continue listening to the product versus buying into the person uh is is kind of where i stand dlh you're you're over there making dr dlh you're making a funny-ass face. We need video, man. I think we should have video so you can see all the... We need sponsors for video, please. The puzzlement that is happening over here. I'm trying to think of this situation all together because... This Morgan Wallen. Okay, I've heard the name before. It's a country. I mean, I know it's country. But I can't tell you that if I have ever heard a song from Morgan Wallen. Last night we let the liquor talk. Okay, so I have heard a song from Morgan Wallen. Not a fan. I really don't. Yeah, and it's easy when you're not a fan, when you don't really like them. Well, but I am still trying to think about it from the perspective of what is considered the offensive behavior. So that was one. The reason I looked it up, because I don't listen to a lot of country. My wife listens to a lot of country, so any country that I listen to, I picked up from her, and I picked up Morgan Wallen from her. And I started listening to it, and then this happens, and I was like, oh, shit, let me look it up. And so that's the example that I found. Now, did he... Did he, you know, do himself any favors when he came on, I think, the morning show? He didn't. He did not. He was not. He didn't really act like it was a big deal. You know, he kind of tried to brush it off. Trying to be dismissive. Yeah, he was really dismissive. Michael Strahan, which, you know, was really pressing him. He really wasn't. He didn't act as though he did anything wrong, which is wrong. Right. Yeah. I mean, he should acknowledge it. But I think if I'm thinking about this from, let's just say, layperson, right? And I don't have a big impact on anyone's life outside of my own personal bubble here. But he committed a, we'll say, a social faux pas, right? Like something that it's not a term that belongs to us. This is a term that... should be with black people. That's who it belongs to. They're the ones who use it at will, and that's up to them to decide how that goes. Now, if he used it, he didn't... If this is the extent of the story... And that's what I wanted to point out. That's the example that I found. Whether he used it in other... That's the one that I looked up and found. And I also think it's just important for the topic in general today is that in some cases, some of these artists that we're mentioning, there may not be anything that is concrete criminal or any of that extent. So in some sense, we're casting judgment. Judgment. We're casting judgment on these particular artists. for whatever reason, but the question kind of still stands. Like, at the end of the day, if you've gravitated to an artist, you enjoy their stuff, and then they're hit with this controversy, are you drawing a line? Well, it's hard for me to draw a line in that. If that's the extent of the case, it's hard for me to draw the line there. Well, not just that one, but other artists. But in this particular, and I'll tell you the differentiation or the way that I view it here, is because when you're looking at that, if he used, you know, the N-word when talking about a friend and he used it in a way that was not derogatory or meant to be negative. Should he be using the term? No, he shouldn't. But he wasn't trying to be negative while doing so. So it's hard for me to say like absolutely ban him, right? Because he doesn't like black people or like whatever it is. That means he himself was influenced by whatever... By black culture. By black culture, and then taking that in and using it for himself, appropriating it if you want to use that. But that's not the same thing as violating someone else's actual rights as a person when you commit a crime against them. Yeah, so you mentioned the line. What is the line? And moves. Do you have a particular line? So just think of any of the artists in general that you did enjoy their music or you had enjoyed their music at some point in time, but they did something. Are you canceling them? Yeah, I think for me, the big one and probably the one that really started a lot of this cancel culture in the music sense would be R. Kelly. It started with Michael Jackson. No, no, no, no. Because Michael Jackson has been in controversy for years. And is there evidence? Is there not evidence? And somebody has some of that. Somebody refutes it. And okay, so whichever. It's not like I spend a whole lot of time listening to Michael Jackson music anyway. It's Halloween, sir. But when it came to R. Kelly, I remember back in the 90s, we used to listen to R. Kelly all the time. I didn't, but it was in the clubs. Well, I'm not saying we as in me and you. I mean me in the circles that I ran. So you listened to it. I listened to R. Kelly a lot back then. I do. You bought his albums. And I did have, yes. I had his album all the way up until he started talking this nonsense about being in the closet and all that stuff. all of that that was that was a musical so what i will say is this even if he hadn't committed the offenses that he had committed by the time he got to this in the closet thing i would probably stop listening to him anyway and just kept to his old stuff right but after learning of the the the crimes that he had committed and all that other stuff in my mind i could not any longer support that because i know that the replays and all that other stuff would contribute to his monetarily right and i think that's what we're getting to is is it's not that that you would still enjoy it is that they're profiting off of it and should they be i mean they should be getting punished for that i i agree with you with r kelly i read an article um and it was a long article about one of the women that he she was a dj in dallas and So he kind of swept her off her feet and then kept her basically in a room in Atlanta somewhere where she was just in a room. They would provide food, but basically held them captive. And she wasn't the only one. And the reason it started picking up steam is because her family was like, hey, we haven't heard from her. We know that she went to this concert. We know that she had contact with him. What happened to her? And Because she was a DJ in Dallas, like a pretty well-known DJ, it just caught wind, right? And when I read that, we've talked about it in other podcasts. I want to know what happened. What exactly happened? And so when I read that, I was like, I'm out. I never was really an R. Kelly fan, but I listen to his music. It's good. It has catchy tunes. But when I read that, I was like, I'm out. I'm not going to listen to his stuff because... you know, that's, that's terrible. He's a terrible human being, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's absolutely terrible now, but you, you said something, um, that stands out and that's, you weren't necessarily like bought in on his music. So that's what makes this hard. Yeah. So what, where, where, where are the lines? Where are the lines? Like, I think, I think I was it for me. I was bought into his music and that was definitely a line for me. Yeah. So, so are you, Are you hardcore, I'm not listening to them, if I have control? Yes. Are you going to? I don't, and I do have control. You run and then you plug it out, you take the cord off? Well, for like Spotify and all that, do they actually still have R. Kelly music on? Yeah. Yeah, Apple Music. Well, that would tell you right now, I have... never since then even looked up R. Kelly to see whether it's been available anymore. Can you block artists on Spotify? I don't know. I really don't know. Spotify, if you could add that option. I can tell you that his CDs that I had, I got rid of those. And to what level is that? So let's say you're at a restaurant and they're playing one of his songs. He's going to walk out. He's going to walk out. Because that's not... He's going to walk out. It's not me and my choice. I'm not going to go and... I doubt. I've never heard R. Kelly. Maybe in an elevator. Yeah. I'm not sure I do anymore either. I think that, you know, like largely it's kind of taboo to play. Yeah, I had this conversation with a coworker because he's an older gentleman. So I'm an older gentleman now, but he's older than I am, right? He's 70. So his daughter just got married, and they play Step in the Name of Love. Step in the Name of Love. And that's a big wedding song. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like, you know, weddings have the, you know, they have the freaking, you can pretty much set up a set list for a wedding. But anyway, he was telling me, yeah, you know, I really liked that song. And I was like, so we're good with everything. And he's like, dang it, Jaime, you know. You know what? This kind of. It is a good song. Well, yeah. And going back to you, DLH. So R. Kelly wrote this. many other songs. I'm trying to think of one off the top of my head that he doesn't necessarily sing or were not made popular by him, but by another artist. Are you going to choose not to listen to that artist, that particular song? Are you going to that extent? No, I would say no, because I'm aware that he was like a writer, but I couldn't tell you any song that he's written by another artist. I used to know several of them. I can't think of any off the top of my head. Ultimately, if someone else decides to play R. Kelly, I'm not going to sit here and tell you what to do, and you should really turn that off because I don't agree with it. My personal opinion has no bearing on how someone else should live their life, right? Should we end this podcast now, then? I am particularly not going to do that. Now, maybe if we're going to draw another line there, I'm not concerned enough with that idea line of thinking that I'm gonna go and research every song he's ever written and then cancel whatever that song is I'm just choosing not to directly support that him playing his music hearing him on whatever musical apparatus that's where I'm going so I don't know when the artist gets another song he may get song credit but it's still the other artist's song now so I don't know. And I'm not against artistry. Like, go be an artist. That's why for some of these people, like we talked about Madonna or whatever, and people that get controversial because they want to be an artist and they do things that impacts negatively some segment of people, I'm not concerned with that. No. Do your thing. But if you are committing crimes against people, I have a problem with you. I have something to say. Yeah. That's where you draw the line. We did talk about Madonna, and I do remember that– What is it where she's talking about? The song? The song itself. Like a virgin? No, I don't think it was like a virgin. It was the one where she showed black Jesus. It was like a black Jesus. Yeah, it was like a prayer, wasn't it? Yeah, like a prayer. Like a prayer. Yeah. Yeah. Life is a mystery. Yeah, there for a while. Sing it for me so I know. Life is a... That was pretty good, wasn't it? You realize she's got now... I didn't know this until just right now, but she's got Like a Prayer, Like a Virgin. Is it just Laika and then insert word? Hey, dog, whatever works. Well, maybe that was like part two. But that was a big deal. And, you know, being... Hispanic, Mexican, right? I was like, it was a big deal. So we can't have black Jesus. I really didn't see a big deal. I didn't see a big deal, but it was a big deal at the time. Now, do you think people evolve as time? So they may have looked at it, saw it, viewed it as taboo at the time, and then ultimately evolved. And another example that I brought up earlier was like an NWA. Like an NWA... It was hard for people to accept it in general. Not all people, but for... Are you talking about specific people? Why don't you just go ahead and say it? Well, yeah. I think general society just viewed as... I loved NWA. Well, I did too. What does NWA stand for, David? Can you tell us? No, I'll pass. I'm fine. Just know it. It's just, uh, I keep it on the radar. We post a picture every year and it's no Diego's with attitude, but so yeah. NWA bandit. Yeah. NWA did ruffle feathers, but I was telling, you know, we talked about this before. I think they were on the right side of history.

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Police brutality is a big deal. It's still a big deal. It's still an issue. I put that aside. I'm like, I didn't have an issue with it. You know, what Ice Cube said on one interview was like, hey, we're basically reporting what's happening five in the streets right now. It's observational artistry. The fact that you don't understand it or can't get on board, that's not their fault. This is what they're seeing. And that's what I saw in Southeast Dallas. Shout out to Pleasant Grove. That's what I saw. You know what I'm saying? Shout out or shout out? Shout out. Shoot out and shout out. Because my house got shot up. So, I mean, I put that aside. I think, David, you pulled up a list and Ozzy was on it. And because his music was satanic. Maybe, no. Accused of being satanic. That's an artist being an artist. I can tell you who was satanic is King Diamond. I love his music too. So that I put aside. Anything having to do with church-related issues, don't have an issue with it. This is an artist being an artist. I don't think I know King Diamond. I don't know who that is. I know King Floyd. What genre is that? That's metal-ish. Oh, maybe that's why. Yeah, King Diamond is an actual Satanist. Like, he's... But his music... Actually, if you... I had a friend of mine tell me, like, man, I quit listening to King Diamond because I listened to it so much that I started... you know having like bad dreams and apparitions and stuff really

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no i don't i mean i don't care much because i don't know king diamond right i don't know that i would draw the line there because like i am somebody who uh like you're a satanist my introduction no absolutely not um i think that when my introduction to uh rap music and hip-hop was nwa Really? Yeah. Nice. And I was a big fan then, right? And now as I've evolved in my own hip-hop education and the things that I like, I listen to Christian rappers. No. Not because they're Christian. Name a Christian rapper, I guess. You just got to sound good. What's a... I've never heard a Christian rapper. The guy that starts with the letter L. Yeah. Ludicrous? No. Ludicrous? No, there are a few. Ludicrous. Well, there's some R&B Christian artists that I do like. This is a bad topic. Although they are older. We need to move on from Christian rap. I know one Christian rap artist is whoever Angela Johnson's husband is. That's a Christian artist. But does he fit that controversial? But the ones, see, some of the ones that I listen to, and this is not like all of their music. It just has to sound good, right? But Lecrae is one. NF is another. That's the old one. Maneo, I think is how you say his name. Trash. Maneo? Maneo? Mana? No, M-I-N-E-O. Mineo? I think that's how he says his name is Mineo. Trash. Finding Nemo? But wait a minute, wait a minute. What's... What controversy are they bringing? No, we're just talking about it. Okay, let's get back on subject because you guys are always hounding me whenever I get off topic. No, you do get off topic all the time. So get back on topic, gentlemen. Hold on, hold on. We talked about Madonna and the controversy of having a religious component to it. And then he went to King Diamond, which I asked, so that's a Satanist component. So all I'm saying is that for me, whatever religious lines there are, that's not for me. Yeah, that's off to the side, I think. I think the main ones are probably when Chris Brown actually assaulted Rihanna. I was done. It made it easy for me because I wasn't really a big Chris Brown friend. I think that's the problem. If you weren't really a big fan, it's easy to cut it off. It's easy to go, I'm done. Michael Jackson, though, is probably the best example of if you grew up in the 80s, Michael Jackson is a part of your story. It's a part of history, right? Like everything about Michael Jackson is the 80s. He was a global icon. And so if you grew up in the 80s, you know Michael Jackson. I don't think there's anybody in the world that doesn't know Michael Jackson if you grew up in the 80s. Who? Michael Jackson. What? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so there's two, right? MJ, like, is it Michael Jordan or Michael Jackson? That's the only difference. But I think that's the hardest one to go. I'm going to put all those allegations aside. He still enjoys music. I think he's the only one that I still enjoy his music. And... can turn a blind eye to all those kids. See, I still find this... And granted, this might just be me because I have not taken the time to do some deep dive investigative reporting on my own, right? But as far as I know, the allegations there are still... There's a bunch of people that believe it's not there. It didn't happen. There was a bunch of that do and what's valid and what isn't. I don't know. See, you seem to you keep on saying there is there's absolutely. Yeah, I don't know enough to know that. But what I also there's been several documentaries about it. What I also can tell you is that I don't go to Spotify and and look up and play Michael Jackson music. No, no, I don't. So when somebody else plays it. And because it's still mass played everywhere, I'm like, all right, so none of y'all out in society know, or you're not wholly in one camp or the other either, right? Or maybe you are, but some people, the people that aren't in one. I think he's the exception, honestly. I really don't know if people know how to feel, or maybe it is an exception. I don't know. All I can tell you is that I know the music when it's played somewhere. The same thing with R. Kelly. I'm not going to go tell somebody what you should be playing in your establishment. What I can tell you is that I don't particularly go... and look up Michael Jackson to play him on Spotify or anywhere else. Well, I can tell you right now, and we're close to Halloween, you're going to hear Michael Jackson, and it's in everything. Thriller is... Yeah, he's basically the... The Thriller soundtrack. Or the Christmas Jingle Bells. Okay, so you seem to be certainly... You have more feeling about this than I do, so let's hear your perspective. Do you still listen to his music? Yes, that's what I'm saying. He's the only one that I can say that I still listen to his music, I still enjoy his music, and yes, I think he did it. And it's terrible. It's not like I'm thinking about it, you know what I'm saying, when I'm listening to it. When you're listening to it, yeah. Because he was such a huge star growing up, I mean, everything about his music is the 80s, right? And my wife loves Michael. She loves Michael Jackson more than she loves me, probably. So I didn't really have that much of an appreciation with Michael Jackson until I met my wife. I grew up in the 80s, right? And I know all his music, but she really, really loves him. And so I started listening to more. I was like, okay, he is really good. He does span several decades. And that's the one that I can think of. Puff Daddy, out. I'm done. Never liked him. Right Side of History, I'm out. R. Kelly, good. A couple of good songs, I'm out. Chris Brown, yeah. You're a terrible human being. You're a piece of crap. I'm out. Marilyn Manson, never listened to Marilyn Manson. Didn't really... Think he was that great? I'm out. Kanye is the other one that... But has he done anything illegal? Not that we know of yet. Let's wait on that. We'll recap this later. But also, since he went crazy, his music is trash. True, true. He had a good three or four album. Yeah, during the college dropout. College dropout, yeah. During that time. And then he went crazy and everything fell apart. But the other ones... Morgan Wallen, maybe, you know. I kind of looked at, he didn't really do anything criminal. But Jaime, you know, earlier you were talking about Notorious B.I.G. Yes. Removing Puff from that particular album. I would pay$40 right now. You also just said right now, like, Puff out. That's easy to do for that particular artist, but there was also some... No, he makes money off of all that, yes. No, I know he makes money off of that, but he's also got all these different artists that were under his umbrella at the time. Yeah, Bad Boy Records. Yeah, all of that stuff. He's featured on there. Are you throwing all of them away or just specifically his particular albums? Notorious B.I.G. is probably the only artist I can think of that was under that label that I kind of thought was... pretty good, so I'm good with throwing them all away. There are a bunch of others, but what I will say is that he is, most of the time when he's in those other songs, the ones that I'm thinking of, he's not a big part. He's just a bad boy or whatever. So he doesn't contribute whatsoever to the song. He really should not be on it. I'm like, should not. If you want to come, if you don't want your producer all up in your video, then come to Death Row. At that time, though, him doing all that, it was just like a signature. Like, you have... A terrible one. Well, but you had, like, Master P, all those songs. Like, and when you heard that, like, you knew what label or you knew what fabric it fell under, right? All of the... Even today's artists do something like that. All the producers do it now. Well, mainly one, like, 21 Savage who does it. No, now, 21... Everybody does it now. No, all of them have, like, something. Mike Jones used to, like... Mike Jones, everybody has like mustard on a beat, you know, it's like, yeah, all the DJs do it now and it sucks. I kind of, I kind of enjoyed when you could, you could hear the music and go, Oh, that's Dr. Dre. Oh, that's DJ premiere, you know, because of the sound. Yeah. Now it's like, you know, that's, that's Pete rock or now it's like, they tell you who it is. Yeah. Um, so, um, The other thing that we were talking about is, you know, with Michael Jackson, I think Michael Jackson is, I want to say is the exception. Maybe it's an exception for me. See, me pretty much, with the exception of the rock artists and so forth that you mentioned, like P. Diddy, R. Kelly, all of those, I do like their music. You still listen to it? Yeah, I'll still listen to it. If it was already in my phone. Sounds like we need to cancel David. If it was already in my phone, I'm going to play it, but I don't. I want to tell the audience that David has this thing to where he'll listen to basically the kids bop. No, it's for adults. No, there's probably a lot of you out there that are coming across the yacht rock and it makes rock music sound so much better. It's terrible. yeah yeah rock rock music is what is yacht rock yeah it's you don't want to listen to it no no i think his yacht rock is different because letty plays yacht rock but yacht rock is a separate genre what david listens to is somebody taking like crazy train and making it like making it good no making it terrible like no making it straight up yeah like like kids bop No, it's good. It's basically that. So whatever he says about music. No, I'm telling you. Ball it up and throw it in the trash. You're seeing it on social media. It's out there. These artists are requesting. On your social media. No, these artists are recommending or going to this particular guy and saying, hey, make my song Yacht Rock. And this dude is doing it. And the only one that I will... agree that sucks is the Chop Suey song. That one's terrible, but the other ones are really good. Including Crazy Train. We were trying to build a haunted house and this fool was playing this crap and I'm like, please, shoot me right now. Make me part of the haunted house and hang me right here. Fun fact, that was the quickest we've ever gotten them walls up at the haunted house. Yeah, because we wanted to get out of there and stop listening to that music. Everybody wanted the torture to be over. They needed that motivation, so... If you need to get things done, throw in some Yacht Rock. Yacht Boy Summer is the album. Yacht Boy Summer. No, please don't listen to that. No. Listen to Yachty, Lil Yachty more so than that. No, don't do that either. It's just as bad. Where's the Bible? All of this is offending me. I'm just hoping he commits a crime. Put on some NWA, some Public Enemy. Some Wu-Tang. Some Wu-Tang. Some Nas. Yes. Nas. Nas. Not Lil Nas X. No. Nas. Dang for the... Some MF Doom, R.I.P. Some, you know, some good music. So folks, listen out there. You can see they're getting off topic. Not me. They are. Well, we talked about the bad... We're talking about music. We're talking about music. Now we're giving recommendations. Yeah. Yeah. So... Are we border proving enjoying the music even though you don't support the artist? I think that's the question. Can you still enjoy it? No, I would be indifferent because it depends on the artist and what they did. So then you are saying that you can. Yes, that is what you're saying because I think all of us– Hey, don't tell me what I'm saying. I'm a doctor. I'm a damn doctor. I think that's what we're all saying is that at the end of the day, I think we're adult enough. It's a personal choice. Well, it is a personal choice. It's a personal choice. Pick your battles. I would venture to say that most people– Most people are going to fall in the category that if they didn't, if they love their music, if they love their music, they're probably not canceling them. But if they needed a reason, that was their reason. I knew it. I knew it. I knew I didn't like them and look at what they're doing. That's what it is. Like a confirmation bias. I knew there was some reason I didn't like you and that must be it. Yeah, like I would lose my mind if Iron Maiden did something heinous here in the next, you know, five years or whatever. Or, you know, or NWA. Well, Dr. J did have an issue with Dee Barnes back in the day. There was some violence. I think he assaulted her. So we're putting that aside. Is that a confirmed thing? Yeah, no, it is confirmed. He apologized for it. But he beat her up. Going back to that, because Chris Brown specifically, you said... Absolutely not. He's out. Because that's Rihanna. What I will say now, this is going to sound so bad, but Dre also doesn't write all of his own things, so all the things that he's saying are not written by him. His lyrics have always been written by someone else. Well, he's a producer. He is a producer. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. I guess what I would say there is I don't particularly support Dre. I don't know that he's the best. I don't know. You're wearing Beats on your head right now. But he sold it already. He sold it like five years ago. He sold it a long time ago. These are not Beats by Dre. These are Beats by Apple. No. No. Yeah, they were very recently purchased. Apple owns Beats, not Dre. That's true. Look at the percentage of ownership, though. These are Beats by Dre. These are Beats by Dre. And then he's not the only one either. Who else profited from that? Talking about getting off topic. Gentlemen, we need to get on topic. Cancel. Cancel culture. So I think if we really want to put a, you know, kind of reduce it down to something, I think it does. It's a artist by artist thing. Yeah, I will not condone the person. I am separating the person from... But you do want to put some money in their pocket. No, not necessarily, but at the same time, I'm not listening to music to put money in pockets. That's just an indirect result of me listening to it. I think what I can tell you is that if I know you out there and you're listening to any of these artists. I'm not judging you for it. I think it's a personal choice. It's not what you said before. For me, I'm not going to do it. I think it's funny to bring it up, which is what I did to my coworker. Oh, I can't believe you're listening to R. Kelly. No, I do that shit all the time. We can't be friends. Yeah. And he's like, God, man. And I was like, hey, you know. Those are the facts, sir. He's in jail. I mean, he's in prison right now, sitting there rotting in jail. I'm definitely guilty. Now, there's a difference there. If you're listening to R. Kelly, that's your prerogative, right? Go do whatever. That's Bobby Brown, I know. But you go do that. However, if you want to come to me and tell me about his innocence, you can go on. You can get to stepping. That's totally cool, but the other pieces of the puzzle... is it's very likely that there were other hands making that music involved, right? So all those other people, they may not have done anything. It's this one particular artist. What they produced together was this product. The main artist? Yeah, the main artist sung it, but there's a different writer or whatever. Yeah, but now they lose money because they lose plays and all that. Yeah, so do we take it out on them? Yes. They shouldn't be associating with felons. You're only taking it out on them, though, whenever you didn't like it to begin with. They're collateral damage. If they're mad at it, they should also be mad at R. Kelly. Yeah. 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Well, they could, but they're not going to replicate a song that they did in the... Yeah, they can. Taylor Swift did. She replicated her whole album without him. He got a point. What you got? It's time for your retort. I don't need one. Mike's in front of you. I don't need one. What you mean is you ain't got one. No, I got one. I got one. Not everybody has those resources to put it together. Bullshit. Come on. Come on now. All right. So then we need to get back on task, gentlemen, because y'all just keep getting off task. I think it might be safe to say we don't agree. So what does the board approve? I think we do agree. It's that... You're going to listen to who you want to listen to, and you're going to cancel who you want to cancel based on kind of like a pre, wherever you put them on the spectrum to begin with. Right. I think for me, the only one, well, one of the artists that kind of, I guess you give a pass to is Michael Jackson. I still enjoy his music. So here's a little bit of trivia. Eddie Van Halen played on Beat It, right? Did y'all know that? Yes. Y'all knew that? That's that rift. Yeah. So he didn't get paid for it. He got a call from Quincy Jones. He hung up on Quincy Jones, and then he's like, no, this is Quincy Jones. He's like, oh, shit, what's up? He's like, I need you to come and play whatever. So he does it, and he doesn't tell his band because he didn't want them to freak out, right? And he said, he goes, I just thought it was some kid. I didn't know who it was. And then it became number one, right? And there is no credit to him or anything, but it's Eddie Van Halen. And his band was like, hey, what the hell? What are you doing? He's like, I didn't know who it was. He remixed the song and changed it up, added his solo, and then they moved on. But that song is badass. The solo is awesome. And his music is good. And as far as everybody else... I'm good without listening to him, you know, but Morgan Wallen, I guess if we want to put Morgan Wallen in, I still kind of listen to him, you know, even though he wasn't very, he needed a PR person to like have him handle that type of stuff. But I can't think of anybody else that just gets that pass. But if somebody else has someone in mind that we didn't cover that needs to be covered, feel free to comment it. Yeah. Yeah. David, what do you got? I think David just listens to everybody, so it don't matter. As long as it's converted to Yacht Rock. It's terrible. Don't listen to that. No, it is. It is. I'm telling you, people are going to listen to it. It's crap. They're going to be sold. They just don't want to be. It's so bad. It's good. All right. That boy good. That boy good. There you have it. Board approved. Listen to who you want to listen to. Yeah, do what you want to do. Do what you want to do. Do what you want to do. It's your ears. It's your rhythm. It's your life. Yeah. So thank you for sticking around. We thought we'd do a really quick episode and thought it was a good topic. So join us next time when we'll have a totally different one. Yeah. Have we started another one? Oh, good night, everybody. Peace out. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post about it on social media, or leave a rating and review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter. Thanks again, and we'll see you next time.