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Episode 004 - "Rules for being a True Fan"

Jaime Noriega, David Rodriguez Season 1 Episode 4

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David and Jaime discuss the article, "Rules for being a True Fan," by Bill Simmons.

Attire
1. You can't purchase a "blank" authentic jersey from your favorite team with no name on the back, then stick your own name and number on the jersey ... well, unless you want to be an enormous dork.
2. If you're attending an NBA game, don't wear the jersey of a team that isn't competing in the game.
3. Don't wear cheap-looking replica jerseys or flimsy-looking bargain-basement hats. 
4. Don't wear replica championship rings as a conversation starter.
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6. When your team wins a championship, it's your civic duty to purchase as much paraphernalia as possible. 
7. Be very careful when using the word "We" with your favorite team.
8. No hopping on and off the bandwagon during the season
9. It's OK to root against your team, if they're hopelessly out of the playoff race
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12. After your team wins a championship, they immediately get a five-year grace period...
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Friendships and relationships
15. If your team defeats a good friend's team in a crucial game or series, don't rub it in 
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Loyalties
18. If you live in a city that has fielded a professional team since your formative years, you have to root for that team. 

19. Once you choose a team, you're stuck with that team for the rest of your life ... unless one of the following conditions applies:

Your team moves to another city. All bets are off when that happens. In fact, if you decided to turn off that sport entirely, nobody would blame you.

You grew up in a city that didn't field a team for a specific sport -- so you picked a random team -- and then either a.) your city landed a team, or b.) you moved to a city that fielded a team for that specific sport.
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Verdict

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SPEAKER_00:

If by some chance, some stroke of luck, or some act of God, you have stumbled upon this broadcast, you are listening to The Chivalry Chronicles with your host, DLH, David, and me, Jaime. I hope you're ready, because I know we are. So let's get into it. How's it going, everyone? I'm here with David. DLH was not able to make it today, but that's okay. We'll continue. The show must go on. So, we're guys. I guess our show is guy stuff that guys do because we're guys. You know, guys like lists. I mean, that's the night code is a bunch of lists. Basically, everything we have is lists. Top 10 this, who's the top five quarterbacks, who's the top five teams. So today, I figured we'd talk about a list of the rules for being a true fan since the NFL season's ramping up here within the next week. College football is already started. So welcome, David. Hello,

SPEAKER_01:

hola, howdy. I don't know the other languages, but they'll fit in here somewhere. They'll mend in, but no, looking forward to it. I know football season always builds like some kind of emotion. It pushes that whole... men talk to a different level. It's like a season that most men look forward to. Even the ones that are not into football kind of gravitate to it. I think the fall theme, everybody starts focusing on work and our outlet is typically like a football. And knowing that that season is coming back into play, having ties to your university or to a particular pro team. But even outside of football, I mean, the start of other sport seasons start kicking in the fall. So it's kind of a great time to be around.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's such a gray area after, I guess... The NBA season wraps up. I mean, we have baseball, which is good. That kind of takes us through basically July and the first part of August. But to me, I mean, the NFL is king, and we're roughly about five days away from the beginning of the 2024 season. So I figured, hey, let's talk about this. This is an article from Bill Simmons. This was written probably somewhere 2010. He was with ESPN at the time. Bill Simmons, I believe, is with The Ringer. He also has some podcasts, The Rewatchable, some other stuff like that. But I thought this list was really good. And so... let's get let's get to it uh we won't go through all of them but i'm gonna pick a few and we can discuss them so the first basically the first six or so are attire so these are rules uh for a uh to be a true sports fan so if you're a true fan uh let's start with the attire so it says uh These are his rules and we're going to say whether I'm going to say whether I agree with them or not. But it says the number one. It says you can't purchase a blank authentic Jersey from your favorite team with no name on the back then stick your own name and number on the Jersey unless you want to be an enormous dork. So raise your hand if you have a Jersey with your name on the back and I'm raising my hand right now. I got that as a gift from my dear sister. I love it. And it had Cowboys fans that had Tony Casillas back in the early 90s. And this is Noriega on the bag. So, David, do you agree with that one or not?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't because at the end of the day, if you're going to spend money and not have to worry about, oh, so and so left the team or change, it's something everlasting. You can tie it to a number that's meaningful to yourself. So I don't have a problem. I personally don't own a jersey that has my name in the back. And I think it's just because the cost to make one sometimes outweighs the deals that you can get. get on some of the other players that are readily available.

SPEAKER_00:

It's probably upwards of$200 now to get a personalized.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Usually whenever I go, uh, every. usually whenever I visit San Francisco or up in Santa Clara, I stopped by the by the Niner store. Right. And they have, of course, the little at the at the end of that store, you can customize, get a jersey, all that other stuff. So I've gotten close on the brink. But then when they tell you four hundred dollars for that. Yeah, I'm OK. I love my team. Yeah, I'm fine with my team version of McCaffrey.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. I will, you know, full disclosure, I do, I have heard the other argument against jerseys. You know, it's kind of, I don't know if it's childish, but it's like, why would you wear another man's jersey? I don't subscribe to that either. I mean, some people, hey, don't buy it then. You know, it's like nobody's making you wear it. But yeah, I have heard that, which I kind of disagree with. But let's let's go on to number two. It says if you're attending an NBA game, don't wear the jersey of the team that isn't competing in the game. So. We had this discussion earlier, David and I, and I kind of agree with it. Like if I were in San Antonio, if I go see, I go to go watch the Spurs and Lakers play. I'm a Mavericks fan. I don't think I would feel the need to wear a Mavericks jersey. jersey definitely wouldn't wear a jersey maybe a hat but even that it's kind of dicey i don't have a skin in the game so you know just go enjoy the game and you know root for whoever so david i think you had the other the opposing view

SPEAKER_01:

yeah well mine's mine's a little bit or slightly altered in the sense that yeah i don't think that you should uh show up and and try to really pound your team into these two other opposing teams that are not when your team's not even playing right

SPEAKER_00:

exactly

SPEAKER_01:

but I do agree, you know, wearing a cap or maybe even just a t-shirt that has your team mainly to signal to the fans that you're sitting around. Hey, I'm not tied to this team. I'm not tied to that team. So when you hear me either clap or hear me boo, it's purely from a game standpoint versus, well, I take that back. If there's like a playoff run going on and you need that team to lose or win, yeah, so that could evoke. But you don't need to pick a fight if... Yeah. If it's not warranted.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. These next will go pretty quickly. So one is don't wear cheap looking replica jerseys or flimsy bargain basement hats. I agree with that. I know they're expensive. We just got through talking about how much they are. I think just your basic jersey right now is probably in$180 range. Hey, not everybody can just throw on$180. But if you can... please just buy, you know, team gear. You know, something with the NFL logo, something with your logo on there. It just, it looks odd. I know some people wear it and I get it. I mean, if that's all you can afford. But I kind of do subscribe to buy the good stuff if you're going to buy it. Save up your money. Put it on your Christmas list. My sister, you know, when I was in college and broke, my sister was really good about getting me team gear like i loved her for it i was like this is awesome i can afford it but you know at the time you're so broke that you just you're just trying to make it through uh she would buy me a lot of that stuff and and so i think when i when i graduated i bought i would buy them the jerseys just just as a thank you for you know getting me through five five years of college or whatever

SPEAKER_01:

So I kind of have a different take on that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

What you

SPEAKER_01:

got? By no means am I communicating to the world, hey, go and get counterfeit items and things of that sort. But I do sympathize with somebody that... just doesn't have the means to afford that and or has their priorities in the right sense. So if buying a replica$30,$40, and it's your team's colors, it's your team's colors, people are not really noticing. I mean, I know like for shoes, I know women... can tend to notice other people's shoes. I don't notice shoes unless it's pointed out to me. Those types of things don't come to mind. It's gonna be the same thing with a jersey, unless you're like, oh, look at that. Did you notice that the NFL logo's slightly twisted? I really don't care. I mean, they're there to support their team. Maybe they're even at the stadium. That stadium ticket is expensive. So I can sympathize even whenever you do have the means to do so with somebody that wants to support the team, but at the same time knows that at the end of the day, they need to pay rent and they need to maintain the lifestyle that they need to take

SPEAKER_00:

care of it. I think, I mean... You're getting a little deep again here on the discussion. This is a very light discussion. I've seen the same people that you're talking about drop a couple hundred dollars on beer. So, you know, I mean, it's priorities. Once again,

SPEAKER_01:

it's the priorities. I never question a man or a woman's priorities in life. Everybody has their different splurges. Everybody can do that. I think at the end of the day, You don't want your jersey to look so out of context with what your team jersey looks like.

SPEAKER_00:

I would only revise my statement. If you've had a jersey from the mid-'80s and you continue to wear that jersey and that's it, I'm cool with that. If it's a 1985 Danny White jersey, I'm with you. Like, wear that jersey. Because that's the player that you loved. Continue to wear that jersey. I actually respect that. But yeah, I mean, I guess I can see it. But personally, I just go buy your replica jersey and get it over with. You know, my son wears replica jerseys. Everyone, basically in our family, you know. I have to do it. That's just me, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and there's certainly nothing wrong with doing that. Because we don't necessarily have to have... uh the full authentic jersey no no because at the end of the on the yeah on the field jersey no yeah because think of that and i i do have one on the field type jersey i remember uh i remember the the person who got it for me spent like four hundred dollars for this jersey

SPEAKER_00:

if i have that and then i'm hanging it

SPEAKER_01:

unfortunately yeah that that it was to it was a to jersey uh and uh it was, it was given to me and literally that following season. So this was during Christmas that it was gifted to me the following season. Guess what? Yeah. And guess where he went? Uh, the Eagles. Uh, yeah, he went Eagles. Yeah. So yeah, at that point it was like, Ooh, I, I want to wear this Jersey, but I can't right now. Like now after the fact I could, I could sport it. It's, it's way

SPEAKER_00:

big. I was, I was a lot, I was a lot bigger back then, but, um, Funny story. There was so so as sports fans, we have jinxes, which is another probably podcast we could do about it. Just sports jinxes. So my little brother, every time we bought jerseys, whatever jersey he picked, that player would get hurt for the season. And so we were always very, very particular about, oh, man, we can't. We can't buy him a Dez Bryant because Dez Bryant got hurt that year. We bought him that jersey. Or the following season, uh, someone else got hurt. And so we joke about it. So I think that was, um, it was really funny that, that for a while they were like, oh man, you're getting, you're getting, you know, the, the third string, you know, like wide receiver. We can't have, you know, CD lamb, uh, miss for the whole season. Um, okay. So, uh, number four, it says, uh, don't wear replica championship rings as a conversation starter. This I kind of agree with. I don't, I do know someone personally that does wear them. And, I mean, they're cool. They look cool. This person actually worked with the team for 10 years. And so they got him specifically, like, because he worked for the team, they got him from the team. And so there's levels to championship rings, like, players get a certain level, level A or whatever, or level one, and then the staff gets the one right below that, and then you get the replica ones that you can get at games, you know, when you go to a game. So he has the one right under the actual,

SPEAKER_01:

yeah. And see, to me, that was earned. like yes because he was part of the team he put in work for that team

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and so when he talks about that team he says well i'm family and i and i give him i give him crap about it but i do respect that because he did he worked for them for 12 12 years something like that and so he does but he does wear them like personally i wouldn't even if i did work for the team because to me it's like i'm putting them in a box and i'm and i'm showcasing my house yeah and that way they retain their value now they i think they still retain their value because Because they have a certificate of authenticity and all that. But he does wear them. And so, I mean, they're cool. And it is a conversation starter. And people will ask him because we'll go to meetings. Because he's a co-worker. And it does get the conversation started. So, I get it. I just wouldn't do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So, I would suspect that outside of the first year after winning that championship, I probably wouldn't wear it. I would display it. Yeah. But... I mean, in that sense, with him, he earned it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And it kind of goes to that, I'll do as I damn near please with my stuff. Yeah, absolutely. It's your property. Yeah. Part of you for me. And it is a conversation starter. And yeah, I would suspect that some people are going to be like, but you didn't play though. Not only the coach. Exactly. So that's kind of where... Okay, no, he earned it. So you can like it, dislike it. You could even say the players that sat on the bench, you didn't do anything. You were just there just in case, but you didn't even suit up. Or, I mean, you suited up, but you still got this ring, and for some, they didn't. So, yeah, I mean, I can't knock a man down for that. Now, getting just because he showed up to the game– That one would be a heck of a lot more silly other than maybe the week after. To wear it.

SPEAKER_00:

No,

SPEAKER_01:

absolutely. You shouldn't wear it at all. But to have. You're like one of 10,000 fans, the first 10,000 fans to show up with this ring. And you got one of those rings. Like, come

SPEAKER_00:

on, man. Actually, I have one. You don't do that. I have one on top of my humidor. uh, for the Rangers last year. And that one, I didn't even go to the game. Uh, one of my, one of my fraternity brothers was like, Hey, I went to the game, picked it up, you know, and I said, how much you want for it? Send the money. He mailed it. Cool. Cause I probably would have spent the same amount of money buying a ticket, driving up to Arlington, you know, from San Antonio, stay in the night, all that stuff. So I actually saved some money and I just put it on top of my, um, my human ordinance there. Yeah. They

SPEAKER_01:

did just, just, Don't let me catch you wearing it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I'm going to wear it right now. You're going to get roasted. You're going to get roasted. No, well, I've already said I wouldn't wear it. Along the same line, it says, when your team wins a championship, it's your civic duty to purchase as much paraphernalia as possible. Don't be ashamed. Hats, T-shirts, sweatshirts, videos, cars, magazines, books, there's no limit. And I agree with that. I mean, I think I bought... I don't know how many hoodies with the Rangers that won here last season. When the Mavericks won, I think I have the hat, the shirt, the jersey, the sweatshirt, all that stuff. It's just, I mean, you have to. I mean, I think there was a study that said that in your lifetime, your team is maybe going to win one championship. And so, I mean, you don't know when it's going to come. after that, right? So you got yours, that's it. Like, I mean, you live in the moment, I guess. So I agree with that one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm definitely okay with that. I mean, I, I, I relate it down to, it depends on the type of money you have. And if, if that's where you want to prioritize that money, that's,

SPEAKER_00:

that's totally cool. Yeah. If you wait long enough, they go on sale. They go on clearance. Yeah. In

SPEAKER_01:

fact, just, just wait. If you can wait one year It'll go on real, real clearance. So that$60 hat today

SPEAKER_00:

with the

SPEAKER_01:

championship... Yeah, you're going to– you could probably get it for$9,$10, especially if it's not a popular team in general outside of the fact that they won. Like when the Spurs– when the Spurs are winning, just because we're not a big market team. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you wait– if you wait enough– I think if you go now, they're still on clearance. Yeah, but they still have more championships than Mavs. So when there's an abundance of championships, yeah, you're going to– there's going to

SPEAKER_00:

be more. There's extra. So we'll– So the first six were attire. And then the next, I don't know, four or five are basically just behavior. And these are pretty good. And this is a discussion that I think if you're a sports fan and you've discussed it and you've argued back and forth, this is kind of a big topic. It says, be careful when using the word we with your favorite team. Use it judiciously. Just remember, you don't wear a uniform, you don't play any minutes, and you're not on the team. So I think this is probably one of the biggest violations of most sports fans. And so, you know, David and I were talking about it earlier, and I said, I agree with that. Like, I rarely say we. I don't try to say we. I am not on the team. The only one that I will say we, and even that's judiciously, is... with the college that I went to, Texas A&M, I will say we, because I did go to that school. I did, you know, I am part of the 12th man. And so that's the only one that you kind of, I can get away with a little bit, but for the most part, I just don't say we, I usually say the team or they need to, or stuff like that. I don't know if, if That's a big thing with you. If you've heard it, I hear it all the time. Anytime I talk to any sports fan, anytime you talk about sports.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think we say we because we're part of it. in the sense of the emotions that come with it. Do you say we? Yeah, I will use the word we. And I do that because I also want the person that I'm talking to to know where my allegiance lies. So if I'm saying we and I'm talking about the Niners, like, hey, you know where I stand. And so I'm using it for that. But I know, I want to say this was during last season, Richard Sermon, he's got his own podcast, and I was listening to that. And he was talking about Seattle fans being upset because he will say a lot of good things about Seattle, and he'll also say a lot of good things about the Niners, right? Right. And so he'll play both, in a sense. And... some Seattle fans will get really upset with him, and I imagine Niner fans vice versa, but he specifically pulled out how Seattle, they would say, oh, you jumped ship, you did this, we gave you the championship, we did this, and he said, when they used the word we, no. You brought me a championship? No. If I recall right, our team brought Seattle that championship. None of us even grew up in Seattle. We just ended up there playing for a team and we brought Seattle that championship. Seattle did not bring that to us. I can understand what he's saying because they're not part of our team, but I also see it from a fan level that We have skin in the game, too. We have skin in the game in the sense that we're buying tickets, we're helping fun, and I want them to make as much money as they can. I want their livelihood to be as best as they can as I would want for my family. You know what I mean? So, at the end of the day, he's right in the sense that Seattle didn't bring him anything.

SPEAKER_00:

No, and I think that's an idiotic statement, though. I mean, one, as a fan, why are you arguing with a player? I mean, that's kind of dumb. And yes, I agree. He brought the championship. A similar situation is George Teague, who played with the Packers, I believe, and then he ended up with the Cowboys. And he pumps the Cowboys a lot. And so he got a bunch of grief by Packers fans that said, hey, you know, you played for the Packers. Why aren't you pumping us up? And he said, well, I'm going to tell you why. Jerry Jones has taken care of me and my family. I get invited to the games. They invite me and my family to any games that they have. The Packers have not even called me. So I'm going to ride with who rides with me. And I was like, okay, that's cool. That makes sense. If one team is catering more to you, And I can see you saying, hey, come see the Cowboys. So I thought that to me made a lot of sense. And if the Packers don't really care about you, then...

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you also got to understand the dynamics, though, of the Packers, that they're owned by... Oh, but they

SPEAKER_00:

have an owner. So, I mean, they could invite him to one of the

SPEAKER_01:

games. They could. The dynamics are a little different, I would say, versus, you know, Jerry's just going to run the ship. Yeah. Regardless of what everybody else thinks.

SPEAKER_00:

So, the other one here. Some of these other ones, we're going to skip through because they're not... They're not worth it. So this one says, no hopping on and off the bandwagon during the season with the flip-flop. I knew we were going to self-destruct. And then, all right, we won six straight. I knew we wouldn't keep playing this well. Oh, I knew we'd bounce back. Routine as the season drags on. So it says, just for the record, this is probably the biggest fault of sports fan. I overreact to everything. And I've already written off the Celtics three times this season and given up And he's, you know, this is an old article. But I guess, I don't know if that's hopping on and off the bandwagon, but you can express frustration with your team, not to the point where like, oh, we're going to suck. I think we talked about this previously. I think when you get around other people that root for the same team, I think you will get that. You know, if you're around, if I'm around a bunch of Cowboys fans, then they are going to say, man, we're going to suck this year. Or, oh, man, this guy sucks. But when you're around other fans, you probably won't say that because you're trying to keep that in reserve. You don't want to show that, man, you feel a certain way. So I get that. I mean, I think that's just being a fan. I personally, you know, I don't think I go overboard. I'm very level-headed about it. You know, I I mourn the loss when I mourn the loss, but it's back to the 24 hours, right? Then you move on. But that's the only one that... I mean, you got to give fans a little bit of leeway, right? A little bit of grace. When they follow their teams, they live and die by them, and... You're going to be frustrated sometime during the season. You're going to be frustrated, so it's okay to express that frustration.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, I agree with that, but just a pro tip here. Always have that. It's rebuilding year. Have that ready to go. So if you do that, then when in doubt, you just say, oh, it's a rebuilding year. So every year is a rebuilding year. Yeah, it works every time. So if your team just starts going, well, it's a rebuilding year, then you can always exceed that expectation. That's a cop out, sir. If you're in a win now situation. And your team is doing well. You don't have to leverage it, but if they start losing, well, we've been looking at rebuilding this whole time. So always have that in your back pocket. Just a little tip there. I think you do have to... Part of being a fan is having emotions. And so you are going to have frustration. You are going to express that. Everyone's a human. Players express it. Coaches express it. Anyone involved with it in any form or fashion is going to have some ties to it. So it's just natural.

SPEAKER_00:

Along the same lines, it's okay to root against your team. And I know... This is another big topic with fans. Bill Simmons did a really good job of detailing these out. And so he says, if they're hopelessly out of the playoff race and you want them to keep losing so they'll get a better draft pick, or you're hoping your coach and or GM will get fired, then it's okay to do that. And I guess it's okay. I personally wouldn't. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't root for my team to fail, right? But if they, you know, let's say the Mavs are out of the playoffs and they can creep up a little bit higher in the draft order, then maybe sit, you know, sit whomever.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so I don't think I've ever rooted for my teams to lose. Yeah. But I have comfort knowing that if it is a loss, it is. Even when the Spurs... before, what was it, two years ago? Right before Wimby. Yeah. they didn't hit that bottom. I think Detroit got the worst. And it was like, there were fans that were like, oh, what are you doing? Where are y'all winning these last, I don't know, two or three games? I don't remember. It was something like that where they got on this little hot streak. But I just appreciated the fact that they were playing. Like, that team was not equipped to make a playoff run whatsoever. But I can appreciate a culture or a mindset that says, hey, we may not be top dog by any means. We may not even be anywhere close, but effort's got to be there. Because I think that culture carries on. And if it doesn't... That's whenever you got to talk about whole regime change. That's where I have to go back to the Niners years ago. Whenever they were losing, they were switching out coaches like a carousel. And Trent Baalke was running the team. And that guy, to me, just didn't instill... Well, I think him, as well as the overall culture, was just like not putting effort on the field. I just

SPEAKER_00:

don't think it's... It doesn't make any sense to me. If they end up doing it, then whatever. That's whenever you just say it's a rebuilding year. Yeah. So some of these other ones are fine. I mean, don't be routine, blah, blah, blah. So here's one that when I read it, I was like, this makes a lot of sense. And And I get it. This is number 12, back on behavior. It says, after your team wins a championship, they immediately get a five-year grace period. You can't complain about anything that happens with your team, trades, draft picks, salary cap cuts, coaching moves, for five years. There are no exceptions. And that's it. And I agree with that. If they brought you a championship... then they need a little bit of grace. Just like we talked about fans needing a little bit of grace for them to be frustrated. They delivered what not many teams have. So five years, I think, is pretty good. Like, you know, you can't complain. You've got a championship. Even if they... Like the Rams, right? A couple years ago. They... They were in a win-now situation. All their draft picks. I don't think they have another first-round draft pick until like 2026. I don't know. They traded everything away. And it looked pretty bad there for a second. Then they win a Super Bowl. And it's like, I mean, all that was for that Super Bowl. So, you know, you can't complain about we don't have a first-round draft pick or whatever. And I totally agree with that one. And the only thing that I, it's, what if your team wins back-to-back Super Bowls? Is it 10 years or is it still within the five

SPEAKER_01:

years? I think, unfortunately, for the team, I think most fans are not going to do the 10. Like

SPEAKER_00:

the Patriots, right? They won six. Yeah, they owned the 2000s. So, I mean, you have 30 years. Like, you can't say anything. Yeah, well, you would think that, but... No, they're already complaining now. Well,

SPEAKER_01:

yeah. Well, because the expectation is there. I mean, the Spurs did it in basketball where you're just... always in the playoffs and always winning, that it's hard to then accept anything less. The reality is things change. Dynamics change. People move on. Those trendsetters that laid the foundation and culture within that team, I mean, at some point they got to retire. We all want our heroes to stick around forever, but that's not life. Seasons start changing.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so the next couple are having to do with friends and relationships. And I think we discussed this on the night codes, uh, about waiting 24 hours before you give your, your friend, you know, hell because they lost gloating that type of stuff being annoying. Um, So 15, there's like A, B, and C. It says if your buddy loses, if your buddy's team loses an especially tough game, don't call them. Wait for them to call you. And when you speak to them, discuss the game in a tone normally reserved for sudden and unexpected deaths. And I think you texted me when the Stars lost in the playoffs and also when the Mavs lost in the playoffs. And I thought, I mean, I think that's, I would allow that. That's cool. I mean, don't be an ass. Your team wasn't in it. And just send a text like, hey, tough loss or whatever. I mean, I get that. I thought

SPEAKER_01:

that was cool. That was my intent. I know what you're going through as a fan of sports teams that are going to go through those situations. And I will give you... I will offer that up, especially whenever it's coming, especially when the receiver, the person that you're offering that to, is not over there bringing or surfacing banter or trying to demean your team. Like, there's bros that are just constantly, oh, their team this, their team that, and it's like, shut up shut up and if they don't that okay just know you just invited me to yeah now now i'm your villain

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yeah

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uh whereas i i know i know where your allegiance is i don't like your teams at all uh but that's okay i mean and it's okay i you know we we've exchanged uh with between our teams things here and there but You're not out looking for blood whenever there's none to be had.

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Right, exactly. Now, I think conversely, if your friend's team wins, wins a championship, something like that, I know I went to Texas A&M, and a lot of the people that I hung out with, a lot of my fraternity brothers were from Houston. I mean, pretty much most of the chapter was from Houston. And at the time, the Astros weren't that good. I mean, I'm a Rangers fan, they're Astros fans, and we'd kind of have, you know, back and forth, kind of talk smack to each other. But when the Astros won their first championship, I texted the two brothers that I was like, that guy right there is a true... diehard Astros fan. I know because when I met him, he was an Astros fan and they weren't very good. So I did text him. I was like, congrats. Like that's, that's badass. I mean, you just kind of give a, um, you know, just kind of a knowing nod, like they got it. That's cool. Uh, and, and to me that that's okay too, to go the other way, just to say, uh, Hey, you don't deserve it, but it's cool that you're taking one. That

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kind of starts going to that We Talk earlier, though. Huh? That kind of goes to the We Talk

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earlier. Well, it doesn't because... Because they're not the ones playing. No, but they're the ones that are living and dying with every game, going to the games, being a season ticket holder, buying the paraphernalia, keeping them relevant. You know what I'm saying? To me, that... that says, hey, I've been rooting with this team. And so when they win, by all means, enjoy it. So I will say that I think it's good to go the other way also. So let's see. So let's go to, I'm going to pass some of these up, and I want to get to the ones that are loyalties. And these to me, when I read this list, I thought it was pretty good, and I have kind of adopted most of it. as when we discuss loyalties because inevitably you're going to find someone that when you met them in college or something they were let's for instance they were a rockets fan and uh and then you moved to san antonio and then you see him and he moves to san antonio and you go have lunch with him and he's wearing spurs gear you're like what the hell like i thought you were a rockets fan oh i live here now i'm a spurs fan and and to me that just I mean, my blood boils because it's like, what do you mean you're a Spurs fan? Your team didn't leave. I mean, you should still be a Rockets fan. So whenever Bill Simmons kind of wrote these down, I thought it was kind of cool the way he itemized it and what you can do. So I'll read the first one. Actually, let's read all three, and then we can discuss. It says... If you live in a city that has filled with a professional team since your formative years, you have to root for that team. None of this, the Bengals weren't any good when I was growing up in Cincy, so I became a Cowboys fan. Also, you can't start rooting for a team, back off when they're in a down cycle, then renew the relationship once the team starts winning again. Once again, he uses the Cowboys. All the Cowboys fans have jumped off the bandwagon in the late 80s, jumped back on during the Emmitt Smith, Aikman era, then jumped back off in the late 90s. You know who you are. And I agree with that, too. So. Now. He says in your formative years, I grew up in Dallas. And so, you know, my teams are the Cowboys, the Dallas Mavericks, the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Stars. That's where I grew up. But what if you grew up in San Antonio or you're from Amarillo, right? What do you do? So what he says, let's say you chose a team. He said, once you choose a team, you're stuck with that team for the rest of your life unless one of the following condition applies. Your team moves to another city. Houston went through that. Then all bets are off. You can decide to turn off that sport entirely, and no one would blame you. So I knew a bunch of those Houston Oilers fans that their team left, went to Tennessee, and they're stuck there like, we're Tennessee fans now because those are the Oilers. And it says, so what happened to some of those is that kind of they split. I know some people that stayed Tennessee fans because they were diehard Houston Oilers fans. And I also know diehard Houston Oilers fans who just switched over to the Texans. And that's one of the deals here. So it says, if you grew up in a city that didn't field a team for a specific sport, so you picked a random team, then either your city landed a team, you moved to a city that fielded a team for that specific sport. So those are ways that you can change. One of the others that was funny is like if your immediate family member plays professionally or takes a relevant management coach in front office with that pro team. This one I hate. This is you follow your favorite college star. I really dislike that. That gets me to like the LeBron fans that they were Cleveland fans and they were Miami Heat fans. And then they were now they're Lakers fans. I don't understand that. I follow players, but I'm not going to follow them to another team. If you play for the Cowboys, then I wear that. But if you leave, then I'm done. But

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at the end of the day, they may not be a team fan, they're a player fan. But I have a problem with the president. If they're carving that out, and that's been what they've stated the whole time, I can give them a pass.

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But I think...

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I have a fraternity brother and he follows players, but he's stated the same player forever, right? So I know wherever that player is, that's where his allegiance is going to be. I give that person a little more respect than just some random guy that's just like, balls to the wall I'm now this sports team and they're saying out loud or they're portraying as they're a fan of the team first and then player if they're coming across as I'm a fan of this player and I like what he or she's doing with the team boom if the team is secondary then I get it Your team is that player.

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Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I can give somebody a pass. It's not a team.

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I can give somebody a pass. Well, it doesn't matter. You're still rooting for that person. It's almost like if your kid went and played somewhere. If your kid went and played somewhere, yeah, you're going to be part of that team, right? Well, you would root for your kid on

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that team. And that's what he says. And then whenever your kid leaves. You would root for that team. And that's one of the things here. And I can see that.

SPEAKER_01:

But there's a very distinct connection, right? Now, outside of that connection, the thing that... that rides up top, which is why I can give somebody that has stated first and foremost, that primarily they are a X team fan because of the player. If they're saying that so that the team is actually secondary to the player, the player supersedes all of it, then I know they're a, they're a, Their team,

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LeBron, or whatever. I think that'd be hard to do, though, because when you're a kid, and I'm just using this as an example, right? When you're a kid, you don't root for players, you root for teams. Like, along the same lines, the issue I had, I don't have much of an issue, I just like, ah, that's kind of cheap, is Texas Tech fans, right? That when Patrick Mahomes went to the Chiefs, they became... Chief fans. Chief fans, right? Mm-hmm. They didn't become Chiefs fans because of Patrick McHolmes. That was kind of the secondary option. They became Chiefs fans because they started winning Super Bowls. If Patrick McHolmes sucked, would they become Chiefs fans? That's where I have an issue. You see what I'm saying?

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Yeah. It is a couple of things. Yes. their ties and their allegiance is with this player, but it just happened to be the team was good, too. They're winning Super Bowls. Yeah. They weren't Dolphins. Now, with that said, though, with that said, though, could it be that those, you know, those tech players brought those championships? Not Wes Welker. Possibly.

SPEAKER_00:

But he was an impact player for... for the Patriots. He was a receiver on the Patriots team. Yeah, and a really good Patriots team. Bill Simmons has, he has basically a corollary that says that if you follow your favorite college star, and this has to be a once-in-a-generation favorite college star to the pros and root for his team du jour, like if you're a UNC fan for the past 20 years and you rooted for the Bulls because of MJ. And the Raptors because of Vince. Only works if there isn't a pro team in your area. And I like that too. So I guess you can give Patrick Mahomes a pass because he is a generational type player. But Wes Walker, come on. I mean, that dude bounced around. He was with the Dolphins. He wasn't an elite wide receiver. Yeah. So that one, no. I mean, if you did that, then you would just pick whatever player from your college that wins Super Bowls. Now, I'm a fan of that team, and I just think you're bouncing around too much.

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Well, but at the same time, I think what it really boils down to for me is, are they saying I'm... This fan. I'm a Chiefs fan. Are they saying that or are they really saying and have expressed Mahomes went to Tech. I'm all about Chiefs right now. I think it depends on how they lay it out. And I know you could connect the dots and you could say, oh, well, this person's tied to them because of this. But if they're saying and portraying out loud that the primary reason they're rooting for X team is

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because

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of a person, I'm okay with that because they laid out that it's the person first who they're

SPEAKER_00:

really rooting for. Okay, but... But what they're not saying is really bold, right? I'm rooting for the Chiefs because of Patrick Mahomes and because they're winning Super Bowls. That's the part you don't hear. Yeah. The part that I have an issue with. Well, yeah, but I mean, I think... I mean, Wes Welker. Oh, I'm a fan of the Patriots because of Wes Welker and because they're winning Super Bowls. So they're not rooting for... Who was the other quarterback? Name another run-of-the-mill Texas Tech quarterback. They're not rooting for that team. Peters. You know, it's like, so I have an issue with that because you're only doing it because they're winning Super Bowls. They're being, they're successful. And so just say that. Just say you're a bandwagon fan and then I'll let it go. Because that's what it is. You're being a bandwagon fan, and I have an issue with that.

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So if they lay out early on, I'm a such-and-such player fan. And that player goes on. So that player just got drafted to a team that went 0-16 or 1-15, whatever. Their first-round pick or whatever, and that person's like, you know, I went to that college or I favorite that college. That's my player. I'm now rooting for the Bengals or not, or I'm just trying to think of somebody else.

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Okay. So, so I would have an issue with it. If you had a team before, like, let's say you were rooting for Detroit lions and you ended up going to Michigan or whatever. Yeah. And now you're following so-and-so. Well, then you're, you're a bandwagon fan. Then you're not a Detroit lions fan. Like, You know, I agree with Bill Simmons. Once you choose a team, that is your team. And the only the only way that you can jump off of that team is what he stated here. Your team leaves, you know, or that's it. Like or maybe, you know, like the Browns, they just. But

SPEAKER_01:

what if you have I mean, the one thing that he didn't say is is what if you have like a team owner like Dan Snyder? Did he take the team with him somewhere else? Well, no, I'm just talking about like whenever

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ethics and stuff like that. I believe they're still Commander's fans. So, I mean, they're still, that's, I don't think that carries enough weight. So to me, if you have a team, then that's your team. And you cannot stop rooting for that team because they're not doing well. You can't do it. Um, the Patrick Mahomes thing, I guess he's a generational type player. So you can, but that tells me you're a bandwagon fan because you wouldn't be rooting for Patrick Mahomes if he wasn't winning Superbowls. Um, it just, to me, it's like, I get it. You know, you want to enjoy it and all that, but that just means you're not. And part of it, one of the, one of the terms he uses sports bigamy, you're, you're, you know, I mean, we're in the United States, right? We're not in some other country where they allow multiple wives and stuff like that. I guess Utah does. And just say you're not a true fan. I think if you choose a team, that's your team. And the reason people are bandwagon fans is because, one, they're weak. If you just jump from team to team, you don't want the heartache. You don't want... like seeing your team lose every year, which is going to happen. I mean, we just stated earlier, like in your lifetime, that I think the study was that you get maybe one championship for the four major sports, right? And so you're just afraid. You're afraid to commit. Basically, you have commitment issues with your team. And if it's that, then just state it. Say you're a bandwagon fan, but don't tell me you're a true fan because... that's not the case so um

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when you're a kid and you choose a team versus an adult and choose a team if you're a kid and you choose a team and you don't you know you're five six years old or whatever maybe even 10 years old but at the point you can really make a decision for yourself i i i can i I can give some grace to somebody that was like, okay, I was a kid here and I rooted for so-and-so. I became an adult. I established, I relocated, whatever it is. And I chose this. An adult, I'd have a harder time. extending that grace to. But

SPEAKER_00:

the kid... I don't know. I saw Isaiah with the Rams jersey, and you weren't liking that too much. Yeah, his mom... It wasn't

SPEAKER_01:

because he was a fan. It was because his mom just picked it up at Ross on the cheap. I did surface that. That was a parent conversation.

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I required a conference. But I'm just saying, you didn't allow that. I mean, he's what... 14 now he's 14 he's making this decision no he no he wasn't his decision was to let his mom shop for him so I think this is I mean we could discuss this basically for the next three or four hours but it's it's such a to me it's such a great discussion because you run into this all the time you meet people that rooted for this team and switch and they're like no I'm not a bandwagon fan yes you are you had a team they started they you know, not doing so well for X amount of years. And you jumped. That example that I used earlier, this guy was a Rockets fan in the mid-90s when we were in college. So he saw the Rockets win two championships. He moves to San Antonio and switches teams. You had a team. And so what happens? He then becomes a Spurs fan in the early aughts. And then he sees the Spurs win another five championships. And I'm like, you didn't become a Spurs fan. You wouldn't have been a Spurs fan if they weren't doing well, right? You would have stayed a Rockets fan because they would be just as bad. But the fact that you changed, because you don't change, you don't jump to a team that sucks, right? You jump to a team that's doing well. That's basically the definition of a bandwagon fan. That's the issue that I have with it. Stick with your team. That's the team you chose. That's the team that you wore their hardware. You wore their jerseys. So they're not doing well this year because let's say the Rockets were really good in their early odds. Let's say they were going to NBA finals. You wouldn't have switched. You would have been like, man, I have been a Rockets fan since 1974 or whenever he was born or 1980. The only reason he switched is is because the Rockets weren't doing well and the Spurs were doing well. And that's it. You're jumping ship. You're chasing championships. You're being LeBron, basically. You know

SPEAKER_01:

what I'm saying? Like me, for example, the Niners, I've been a Niners fan, I think, since six or seven years old. One or the other. Either I was six or seven. Always been a Niners fan. The Spurs, I didn't even know they existed until right around when David Robinson was drafted. And the reason I didn't know about it is in Amarillo, they were only showing, well, they didn't show the teams on your broadcast networks. They would show some Mavs games, but the Mavs, you know, There for a while, if you told me they were like the minor league team playing once or twice a year against an NBA team, like I didn't. I wouldn't have recognized, oh, they're an NBA team too. They were that horrible

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whenever I was a kid. I would say caution with your statements. The Mavs in the late 80s were really, really good.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't say the late 80s. I said it early on. I had liked the Lakers. I liked the Lakers. You were a Lakers fan. Whenever I was a little kid, I was a Magic Johnson fan more than anything. Now, Fast forward to around 90, I see a Spurs game. I see a Spurs game on national TV. That was the first time I saw Latinos in an audience, like at a sporting event. And I was like, who are those? What is that team? San Antonio? Oh, I didn't know they had a team. And at that point, it was like, Who are these Spurs? And once again, I couldn't see it and there wasn't an internet or anything like that just to do that. I wasn't going to, I think it was in 89 or 90 that I became a Spurs fan just because of that, for that reason. And I want to say it was, was it 89 that Robinson was drafted? I think it was 89 or 90. Yeah, I think it was 89. And that's why they were shown on national TV during that time. And I have stuck with the Spurs since. With baseball, before we started this conversation, I played the field. I played the field with them as a kid. I was a Rangers fan. I would have stayed a Rangers fan. But I feel they effed that up on their end. And I... No, I think we debunked that, man. No, it ain't debunked. But I ultimately committed myself to... to you specifically during the year that they won before they won. Before the championship. What were we talking about? The Astros.

SPEAKER_00:

I believe your statement was if they win this World Series, I'm an Astros fan. Yeah, but I did that. So it came with a caveat. So if they did win, you wouldn't have become an Astros fan.

SPEAKER_01:

No, one caveat to what you said. You said it almost like I did with

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the exception of. No, exactly how I

SPEAKER_01:

said it. So we'll add a little bit of context and then I'm going to tell you what I said. Okay. Okay. The context. was the playoffs had just commenced for that season. It wasn't the World Series.

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It was the World

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Series. No, it wasn't the World Series. It was the playoffs. Every time I came to your house, there was

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really no baseball. This discussion when we went to the Spartan race. That's when we had the discussion. No, we

SPEAKER_01:

had it here at your house. No.

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Yeah, we had it at your house.

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And I said, I'm rooting for the Astros to win the World Series. And if they win, then that's my sign that they are my team. That's

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what I said. That's so cheap. It could be so cheap. I call it a violation. No, no. I would call it a violation right now. There's no way. No. That's what

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I said. That's terrible. That's what I said. That's a terrible way to choose a team. That was my sign that, yes, there was the caveat that, yeah, they needed to win, but not for me to not root for them. That's

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what you said.

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No, not for me to not root for them. Because they weren't

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even favored. No. They were not favored that year. If they win... I will be an Astros fan. No, at the last piece. No, at the last piece. I was already a fan of the Astros. No, so you're rooting for them, but if they win, I'll become an Astros fan. No, I said I will stick to the Astros

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from

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this point on. So that's basically what I said.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, like I won't jump. Which is terrible. Because I had also shared I've been jumping ship. Like I was always rooting for the underdog in the World Series. I was going for the Indians when they played the Cubs. Did I win? No. You're a bandwagon fan. No. I was always rooting for, I was an underdog fan before that. Yeah.

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That's what I was. Kids out there. Don't do what David does. Don't jump from team to team because it's, I think part of it is you wouldn't do it. I don't think if you don't become a fan, um, or you don't jump. unless your team is not doing well. Like nobody was jumping around the Patriots to another team. I don't care who it is. I would love to hear about somebody saying, I'm done with the Patriots and Tom Brady. Like you will ride that until the wheels come off. So to me that, oh man, I have so many issues with people jumping ship. But the backside of that is, is when you're a diehard fan and you've rooted for your team, you're basically your entire life, and they finally win one, it's a lot sweeter. You actually, you've rooted for this team, you know, since, like, let's say the Mavs in 2011. I mean, we rooted for that team. Me, my family, my brothers, my sisters, my sister, since... since the 80s. I mean, we used to get free tickets to the Mavs in the early 90s because they were considered the worst team in the 90s. And I still was a Mavericks fan. I was like, I'm from Dallas. I'm a Mavericks fan. So when they won, that's who I celebrated with was my family. I said, look, this is our team. And they finally won. Boom. Same thing with the Rangers last year. We were fans from the 80s. You know what I'm saying? We went through everything and they finally win. And it's a lot sweeter. than saying, if they win, I'm a fan. No, I was a fan before. And it just, to me, that carries more weight than jumping from team to team. Because, oh, I went to Texas A&M. I like Von Miller. Von Miller won a championship. I'm a Broncos fan. It's idiotic. It's stupid. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, not diving into that. But I can understand that it is sweeter whenever you've been through all the ups and downs and you still stuck in there which is why I think out of all my teams the Niners probably gravitate the most to my heart even though from a pure sports standpoint I prefer watching basketball more than I like watching football just from the pure sports stance I prefer basketball to football with that said I, I, and maybe it's just cause there's, there's fewer games and there's only one weekly commitment versus a hundred games in a year and every other night kind of thing. But I watch every nine or a game. And if I'm not, if I can't physically watch it, I guarantee I'm hearing it, whether it's from satellite radio or whatever, but I, I am paying attention, uh, to the, to the game and committed to that. Uh, uh, Basketball, I'll watch. I mainly start watching December, January is whenever I start paying attention. And baseball, I really enjoy watching it come September. Whether my team is in there or whoever I'm rooting for is in there or not. That's whenever it starts getting good for me. Now, with all of them, I'll go to a physical game, hands down, any day. But what's funny... is I think football's probably the worst one to watch live out of all the sports that I've gone to live. Now, I'm not saying I don't dislike it. That's a good question. I'm not saying I dislike it by any means. And I'm not saying I wouldn't take a live ticket to go see the Niners play somewhere. But from watching the game, On TV, I think football's better, whereas the other sports, I think live is slightly better, especially baseball.

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Baseball is better live. Basketball, a little bit of

SPEAKER_01:

a mix. It depends on your seat,

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but if

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you're sitting in a 100-level section, basketball is really enjoyable because... You're seeing the dynamics on the sidelines, the interactions. There's a lot more going on within a confined space where a football field is so large. There's a lot to look at in a large field that makes it more difficult. And then the sport that I really don't pay attention to any is probably the most exciting live, and that's hockey. Hockey is great live, but I cannot watch it on TV. It's boring on TV for me. It is not boring. To me, it's boring. I don't like it. It's awesome. Soccer, now soccer, I have finally seen it live. I've seen it on TV. I don't like either. Like, get that out. You got to go kick rocks.

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Sorry, soccer fans. Yeah, my son played soccer, and we were at games, you know, entire you know tournaments where we're there all day and it's different when it's your son so you're there yeah you're you're rooting and everything but yeah soccer is one of those that you know my family loves soccer like you know they'll root for mexico um and we grew up watching it um i was talking about this to um to a friend of mine i was like man i remember um in the late eighties, you know, the world cup and stuff like that, because it was a huge thing in our house. Me personally, I just never got that. Uh, I can't, I can't get into it. I can't get it. I'll watch it. And, and, um, my brothers, they, they seriously, they, they got to get all into it. I was never, I never got into it. Football is probably more the, the, my number one, um, My little brother, he's a big, huge baseball fan. And my brothers are baseball fans. But, you know, each one of us have sort of their their team kind of or their sport. But it's kind of funny that that soccer is just one of those things I never got into. I have friends that that that I talk to on a regular, you know, just about every week we have we text and they're into baseball. know soccer now where they watch stuff overseas and you know whatever manchester united and all that stuff and i'm like man i don't have time to be watching soccer here much less soccer overseas so i i'm i'm good i stick to the four major sports i watch college well

SPEAKER_01:

very little college now add a little bit of con or little bit more to that the four major the four major american sports

SPEAKER_00:

the four major american sports yeah hockey uh i know soccer fans are over there yeah football fans are over there so it's football americano uh so i and even i mean we grew up in dallas like i've stated earlier and we really weren't none of us really watched college football. I mean, college football was something that was on New Year's Day, you know, like maybe, and it's like, I just never, none of us were ever college football fans in high school. And I really didn't even know anything about it until I went to college. And then it's like, oh, okay, so there's another thing. But even now, I mean, they're kind of, I guess if you're faced, you know, if A&M is playing, you know, let's say, They got a big team or like a notable team. Yeah, a big game. And the Cowboys are playing. I'm watching the Cowboys.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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If the Mavs are playing, you know, and a big game and the Aggies are playing, I'm watching the Mavs. Yeah. I'm watching the Stars. I'm watching the Rangers before I get to, even if it's, you know, the biggest game they could ever play. Yeah. If there's a Cowboys, I'm probably going to watch that. If I have two channels, of course you don't have to nowadays. I mean, football, you can have four screens, but, uh, which actually, you know, during the playoffs here this past season where the, the, uh, the Rangers were playing the, uh, uh, the stars were playing and the mass were playing. I did, I did pay$75 to football, which I kind of want my money back. Um, And because they were, they overlap so much, you know, the, and so you had to have at least three screens to, to watch all of them.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So I, not to veer off topic, but we'll, we can center it still on the, on the topic today. Yeah. So all in you have, you can only watch all, all your favorite teams are playing in their biggest game ever. So World Series. Okay. You're picking the football game. Okay. Yeah. So based on the things that we've talked about, Bill Simmons, give me your Bill Simmons take as to why football or why you commit to whatever sport. What goes into that decision?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we grew up watching football. We grew up playing basketball. football on the street. It's just one of those things that I loved watching it. I love the gamesmanship, the adjustments that the defense makes, the adjustment that the office makes, the plays that they set up, that you're going to see that play again in the third quarter, but they put the second layer to it. To me, when my son got old enough to play flag, well, Back that up. I didn't play in high school. I went to H. Greater Spruce in Dallas, which is a 6A school, and there's no way I would make that team. So when I went to college, we played flag, you know, flag football. When we graduated from college, you know, we did a flag football team here in San Antonio, the Beard League, right? But we played for like six years when my son was old enough to play sports. I coached flag football.

SPEAKER_01:

So to say that you're not a bandwagon sports chooser, I don't even know how to label that, but then you're using the same analogy that you're applying for choosing a team. Kind of. Right? Pretty along similar lines is what it sounds

SPEAKER_00:

like. There's context. I thought this was really cool. And I'll post it on our Instagram or our Twitter page. Or X. So this guy carried around... He created this triangle. And so he made a hierarchy of his favorite teams. And so... So for mine, it would be the Cowboys at the top and then the Mavs, you know, and then probably, you know, the Rangers and the Stars kind of go back and forth, right? And then A&M is probably at the bottom. But he would carry that around and then you could flip it, you know? So let's say one year the Mavs aren't doing well and the Stars are just... So it's kind of– once again, it's fluid. But to me, the Cowboys are probably always at the top if I'm going to choose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So if the Cowboys are playing– so I know Rangers and– And the Cowboys could be playing on the same day here

SPEAKER_00:

in October. Well, the Rangers ain't going to make it. But they're playing in September.

SPEAKER_01:

They're playing actually. But I'm doing a hypothetical scenario. So you have, here it is October. The Rangers are either deep in the playoffs

SPEAKER_00:

or they're in the

SPEAKER_01:

World Series. The Cowboys have a Titan matchup against somebody. Who are you watching?

SPEAKER_00:

I think you'd have to go World Series. I mean, that's the top.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I think it, yeah, there's no question about it. And we have done that. Let's say it was about, what, 2010? 2010 when the Rangers were in the World Series. With Ron Washington? Yeah, with Ron Washington. My sister and I, we have season tickets to the Cowboys. And that day, the Cowboys played at noon. And the Rangers played, I want to say, like at 5 or 6. So, in that case, we didn't go to the Cowboys game. And her and I went to the World Series game. And so, we have had that scenario. And, I mean, you have to go to a World Series game. It just... I mean, unfortunately, those two years, the Rangers didn't win. But just to say I did attend a World Series game was, you got to do it.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's even if it was a marquee matchup for the Cowboys.

SPEAKER_00:

And at the time, it was a Titan, so it wasn't really...

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. I said Titan earlier, didn't

SPEAKER_00:

I? Yeah. I think so. So, anyway, we... I mean, this is one of those topics that you could continue discussing until the cows come home. But I think they're coming home now. So we appreciate you sticking around this long. Like I said, it's one of the better topics to discuss, especially if you're a sports fan. David, appreciate you hanging out with me today. I know DLH is... was not available today, but we figured we'd have a quick sports talk since NFL and college football kicked off. Unless you have something else.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, good luck to your teams, everybody. I hope your team does really well and loses to my team,

SPEAKER_00:

a.k.a. the 49ers. Your fantasy football teams, your college teams, your NFL teams, I guess the MLB is wrapping up here pretty soon. And then, of course, I think it's November, the NBA.

SPEAKER_01:

NBA usually starts that last week of October, but their preseason will kick up uh pretty soon yeah so

SPEAKER_00:

so good luck to your teams unless they're facing our teams i guess yeah absolutely absolutely we had our discussion so what's the verdict i mean having rules to be a true sports fan is that a good thing do we agree with most of these rules do you do you have an opinion on that

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, well, you generally have to give grace in some circumstances and understanding to people's individual circumstances. I think at the end of the day, I'm going to give this a thumbs up.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. Yeah, I agree. I think we disagreed. I mean, not disagreed. I think we called out the ones that we didn't agree with. But overall, for the majority of the list... I totally subscribe to it. I think I stated earlier that I've adopted most of these when you have discussions about bandwagon fans. So yeah, overall, pretty good list. I urge you to check it out. I believe ESPN2's Bill Simmons is called Rules to Be a True Sports Fan. So there you have it, folks. Board approved.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a good list. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And if you have any other rules that you want to share, just make sure you put in the comments or let us know. Give us a contact. You can reach out to us on on our emails. It's either Jaime or David at the. Chivalry Chronicles dot com. Shoot us an email. We'd love to hear your comments, especially if you have anything on the show. We'd like to hear that.

SPEAKER_00:

Man, we have emails now.

SPEAKER_01:

We do. We get fancy up in this.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow. OK, guys, it's it's popping off now. So there you have it. Absolutely. Take it easy, guys. And like we said, have a good season. Whack is crack or crack is whack. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others. Post about it on social media or leave a rating and review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter. Thanks again, and we'll see you next time.

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